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I am 40 and I can't work out these 7-8 (years, not grade) test questions...

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Toddlerone · 03/01/2012 11:56

I wouldn't feel so bad if it was maths but this is literacy!!
I did not know that numbers are classed as adjectives. I also don't know why 'nearest' and 'both' are adjectives.
So what I need is a simple explanation of different types of adjectives, something that will work for me and for my 7 year old DS.
And while we're on the subject, a simple online resource explaining the different sentence components would be great, maybe that way I'll manage to be ahead of my son for once!Blush
Thanks so much.

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CecilyP · 03/01/2012 13:08

Are they? I have never given it much thought. Has this lack of knowledge ever held you back in anyway? I would say that numbers on their own are nouns but when used to describe a group, such as 'seven trees' then they are adjectives. I can easily see why 'nearest' is an adjective, whereas 'both' seems a bit of an oddity.

Perhaps someone else can come up with an online resource.

Tiggles · 03/01/2012 13:16

I hadn't really thought about it, but an adjective is a describing word, so if a person says three cats, I guess they are describing the trees in the same way as if they said there were black and white cats.

Tiggles · 03/01/2012 13:16

technically to be correct an adjective describes a noun (thing) and adverb describes a verb (doing word)

farmazon · 03/01/2012 13:24

This should help
www.english-online.org.uk/int3/adj3i1.htm

BrianButterfield · 03/01/2012 13:30

See, using phrases like "a describing word" is what gets people confused! An adjective modifies (adds information to) a noun. So "three" is an adjective, because it tells you how many of [noun] there are. "Nearest" is telling you which of the [nouns] you're talking about. "Both" means you have two [nouns] and you're talking about them together, not individually.

maizieD · 03/01/2012 13:33

Is this any use?

www.english-online.org.uk/int3/intro3_1.htm

It looks like an English for non native speakers site... Smile

The 'parts of speech':

web2.uvcs.uvic.ca/elc/studyzone/330/grammar/parts.htm

A sentence has, at the very least, a verb and a subject (the thing doing the action)

e.g I am smiling. I = subject am smiling = verb

It can also have an 'object' (the thing the verb is being done to)

e.g I am smiling at you I = subject, am smiling = verb, you = object

Basic sentence structure can be padded out in hundreds of ways, but the subject/verb (object) can usually be clearly identified. If a sequence of words doesn't contain a verb it is a 'phrase'.

[sits back and waits to be -howled down- gently corrected ....]

maizieD · 03/01/2012 13:37

BB,

I think that 'three' and 'nearest' are both descriptive...but I'm glad you explained what 'modify' means in this context because it has puzzled me for quite a while as I see 'modifying' as altering something...

Toddlerone · 03/01/2012 15:26

CecilyP, your question Has this lack of knowledge ever held you back in anyway?, well no, not that I'm aware of, but literacy is my thing, you know what I mean? My DS grants me no credit whatsoever for anything numeracy related, but literacy was my domain, I was the one in the know.... or so I thought!!!GrinGrinGrin. I am relieved to see a lot of confusion here though!! I'm going to check the links provided by farmazon and maizieD. Cheers.

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CecilyP · 03/01/2012 15:31

I know what you mean, Toddlerone. Kids can be very unforgiving, can't they?

BrianButterfield · 03/01/2012 16:12

Maizie - yes, they ARE "describing words" - that's not wrong, but it's misleading when it comes to words like "both", which is why it's an unhelpful explanation.

GrimmaTheNome · 03/01/2012 16:21

I'd describe adjectives as qualifiers rather than modifiers...anyhow, one way to distinguish an adjective from a noun is whether it makes sense alone as part of a full sentence. Sometimes adjectives get used alone in speech but the noun is implicit from what came before ('How many cats are there? There are three {cats}'). 'Do you want cream or custard? Both {cream and custard}'.

Just you wait till he gets to prepositions....

prh47bridge · 03/01/2012 16:44

It doesn't help that many English words can be different parts of speech depending on context. Any number, for example, can be a noun or an adjective. "Both" can be an adjective, a preposition or a conjunction.

joanofarchitrave · 03/01/2012 16:46

Try 'The Crown of Success' by ALOE, chapter 9.

maree1 · 03/01/2012 17:23

There are plenty of age appropriate English resources at WH Smiths I was recommended to google the creative writing cards the BBC featrured which cover the basics.

millyrainbow · 03/01/2012 22:05

When I started my teacher training, I realised to my horror that I had been taught nothing more than the terms noun, verb and adjective! (Product of 1980's education?) I was advised to get the Usbourne Book of Better English. www.amazon.co.uk/Usborne-Book-Better-English/dp/0860207056 It covers grammar, spelling and punctuation. It explained the basics really well and was my Bible while I got to grips with some of the finer points of English. It is great!

cazzybabs · 05/01/2012 10:39

Well I think if you can use them before a noun they are adjectives - both cats, the nearest tree - but they are poor examples

cazzybabs · 05/01/2012 10:39

Both" can be an adjective, a preposition or a conjunction.

bugger - this is why I teach early years

Tinuviel · 05/01/2012 14:55

An adjective is a word that describes a noun or pronoun. Adjectives tell what kind, which one, how many, whose. Three and both tell how many; nearest tells which one.

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