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McNee & Coleman 'Great Reading Disaster': was look/say introduced to damage children's reading?

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Rerevisionist · 29/12/2011 18:23

2007 detailed book which says (my summaries):---
[1] Before 1945, almost everyone learned to read, by the age of 7.
[2] They learned by being taught letters, and then words where the sounds blended (e.g. CAT, DOG, ... HOSPITAL). Oddities (foreign words, adopted words, proper names, remnants of other languages - opaque, pyjama, Edinburgh, children...) were left till later
[3] After about 1945 the look-say method 'was introduced'; they have a list of 'guru' names and books, but don't know about the promotional methods
[4] Look-say in their view used just the SHAPE of words, i.e. the outline, to try to teach reading - ignoring differences in lower-case, capitals etc
[5] There's another version in which the whole word was shown, but it was deliberately withheld that the letters had some meaning, and even that words are read left-to-right
[6] As a result there was a vast increase in illiteracy. Large numbers of pupils spent years learning nothing of reading (and the parents seemed to not comment, or be bewildered). And a vast increase (or invention) of dyslexia, since of course the kids had no idea about reading.
[7] This continued at least up to the time of their book, 2007.

Their book is interesting and convincing, but (for example) omits some names of Education Secretaries, omits actual evidence of what happened in classrooms, is somewhat anecdotal about McNee's success with dyslexics, and also makes some claims which seem hardly credible, such as teaching words purely by shape.

I wonder if anyone has informed comment, preferably being familiar with the book? I'm exploring the idea that the whole process was deliberate, part of the 'Labour'/ Frankfurt School etc 'critique' attack on Europe/USA. (Alice Coleman was resonsible for the attack against tower blocks - 'Utopia on Trial')

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mrz · 01/01/2012 16:02

the problem with word shape is

wash has the same shape as mash or want or meal or ...

mrz · 01/01/2012 16:03

I found lots of extracts but most required payment to view the full doc.

teacherwith2kids · 01/01/2012 16:06

Sorry Bruffin, that was exactly the point I was making - that even the proponants who THINK a child might be learning by look and say may in fact be observing a child who learns to read by phonics - and so claim a success for Look and Say which it does not deserve

bruffin · 01/01/2012 16:41

Sorry I wasn't disagreeing with you teacher Grin

Rerevisionist · 01/01/2012 19:58

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cornsilxkskiy · 01/01/2012 20:00

how do you account for adult numeracy rates being lower than adult literacy rates with regard to your racist hypothesis

mrz · 01/01/2012 20:04

Rerevisionist you are confusing making a good case and making an accurate case

yes we know you want to see it all as a Jewish plot but you can't because the facts don't support such an idea

You are being told by teachers and by people who have made a real study of education and reading that you are wrong but you like the idea of conspiracy ... good luck finding evidence ... it doesn't exist!

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 01/01/2012 20:19

You are being told by teachers and by people who have made a real study of education and reading that you are wrong but you like the idea of conspiracy ... good luck finding evidence ... it doesn't exist!

I absolutely and totally support this statement based on my experiences and training in education spanning the last twenty years.

Feenie · 01/01/2012 20:29

MigratingCoconuts, there's a problem with spam (i.e. fillers and irrelevances) and trolls (more or less wilful or malicious timewasting). If I'm meticulously polite with replies, I'll simply get bogged down in trivia. If I respond politely to trolls, there will be endless lies to respond to. My policy is to try to minimise both - but of course it's tricky.

Care to mention who you regard as a troll then, Rerevisionist so I can make sure you get deleted?

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 01/01/2012 20:34

If I respond politely to trolls, there will be endless lies to respond to.

exactly Feenie Grin

mrz · 01/01/2012 20:51

I can only guess troll in Rerevisionist conspiracy world is anyone from the real world who disagrees with him

cornsilxkskiy · 01/01/2012 20:52

or a woman?

rabbitstew · 01/01/2012 20:55

Or anyone who doesn't eat pork.

Rerevisionist · 01/01/2012 20:56

Sorry, they keep deleting my messages. It's impossible here.

If there's anyone serious here, please message me. (Or you could log in to nukelies dot com).

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mrz · 01/01/2012 20:58

Sorry not into conspiracy theories

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 01/01/2012 21:03

no thanks...

Rerevisionist · 01/01/2012 21:06

I repeat, if anyone is serious here, get in touch - youtube's another way. Thanks. I know it's only about children's education being ruined.

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tethersend · 01/01/2012 21:07

It'll be the Action Potential Disorder, Rerev Wink

mrz · 01/01/2012 21:08

We are all absolutely serious here Rerevisionist which is why we can't take you or your conspiracy theories seriously

cornsilxkskiy · 01/01/2012 21:08
link for you rerevisionist. Enjoy Smile
MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 01/01/2012 21:15
Biscuit
cornsilxkskiy · 01/01/2012 21:25

do you not like my link migratingcoconuts? I'm deeply hurt.

MigratingCoconutsInTheNewYear · 01/01/2012 21:29

awh shucks Corn, I love it!!

My biscuit is all for rev and the bollocks that is conspiracy theories!!

cornsilxkskiy · 01/01/2012 21:29
Grin
Feenie · 01/01/2012 21:48
Grin