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Shy July born boy...when to start school

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birdseed · 20/12/2011 21:26

Bright but very shy July born boy, should I let him wait another year before starting reception (can do if I go for private rather than state)?

DS1 has little confidence socially and for months was going into nursery with hands over ears and eyes shut even though had been there nearly a year already(only just stopped). July born so due to start reception in sept. Am really worried that he won't be up to it socially and that it will just reinforce his lack of social confidence/social skills. But decision is harder as we think he is bright, don't know if that would be hard if oldest in year and bright.

Should we delay school entry? (ignore the state/private difference as we will do what we need to do for him)

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lingle · 23/12/2011 16:38

OK this what a Bradford head wrote on 8 February 2008 when consulted about the idea of forcing year-deferred children into Year 1. Remember he was not talking about all August-born children, just those who really really needed to defer. Excuse the typos and sorry I can't get the link up right now....

" I am writing to raise an objection in the strongest possible terms, to the proposals to discourage, and indeed prevent deferred entry for summer born children from 2010.
In this climate of "Every Child Matters" and "Personalising Learning", it seems that these agendas and principles do not matter if the needs of a very small number of very young and vulnerable children might cause a little increase in administration. The only impact of deferring entry is the addition of a note on the pupil census to explain why there appear to be additional children in infant class.
In my many years as a teacher and a head, I have always tried to make decisions in the best interests of individual children. Summer born children, particularly those with mid to late August birthdays, are at a distinct disadvantage in our educational system, particularly as children in this country start formal school far too early at the age of 4+ in any case. As a reception class teacher and for many years as a Head Teacher, I have encouraged parents to make their own decision based upon their superior knowledge of their children, and I have always undertaken to support them fully in that decision.
Young children who are forced into formal education too soon suffer from lack of confidence and self-esteem, and this impacts on their personal well-being as well as progress and attainment. For many children, the impact stays with them until GCSE and later life. Conversely, those who defer entry come to school confident and mature. They do well both personally and academically. Surely this should be the priority!

We are not talking about huge numbers of children. I currently have 2 children in my 2-form entry school whose entry was deferred by agreement to meet their needs. A further child will enter in September 2008. All the children concerned remain in good quality nursery settings, accessing appropriate provision and environment until the term after they are 5, which is, after all, their legal entitlement. They remain with their admission cohort throughout the school and leave with them in Y6.

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The proposals outlined clearly remove the option of deferred entry from parents, as you quite rightly point out that Year 1 classes will be full. To suggest or require that children should be placed directly into Y1 and miss the last year of the foundation stage is outrageous. Anyone with any understanding of the needs of young children should know this.

I note that a study reported nationally this morning has highlighted the issue of admission age in England, and found that English children do not benefit from starting school so young. Having recently visited schools in Europe and experienced the success and confidence of hcildren who start school at 6 or 7 years old, folowing universal Kindergarten provision, I would go further and say that our current system disadvantages even 5 year old children. To impose formal schooling on children who have just had their 4th birthday is cruel and inappropriate.

I would like to have sight of the rationale that led to this proposal. As it is, I cannot identify one advantage of this proposal to children. If every child really does matter to Bradford, then this proposal should be rejected."

lingle · 23/12/2011 16:40

last point from me - beware of assuming that a small school will be better for a shy child. In a small school, the boys will, by year 1, divide into "football" and "not-football" boys at playtime. The severity of this divide obviously varies from year to year but it happens. Often in a smaller school that leaves the "non-football" boys a bit of a limited choice of friend. The teachers also have a smaller pool to make suggestions from.

MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 03/01/2012 10:13

My youngest son is July-born and I was worried about how he'd manage as he was a bit sappy about going to nursery, frequently opting to give it a miss. Grin He started in Sept and he absolutely adores it. It is a complete surprise to us all.

He is tall for his year and I always think that helps enormously especially for boys.

prh47bridge · 03/01/2012 12:56

I haven't read the whole thread so sorry if I am repeating things other people have said. What follows is entirely about the state system.

Your child does not have to start school until the start of term following his fifth birthday. For a July born child you can therefore defer entry for a full year.

You have the absolute right to defer entry until later in the school year without losing the place you have been allocated in Reception. The school and LA have no say in this. However, if you defer for a full year you will lose the allocated place.

If you defer for a full year most LAs and schools will insist that your child goes straight into Y1. This means you will have a very limited choice of schools as most will already be full. That doesn't necessarily mean your child will miss anything. If he goes to nursery they should follow the same curriculum as Reception.

Even if your school and LA will allow your son to go into Reception a year late you need to check what will happen on transfer to secondary school. You may find that local secondary schools will put your son straight into Y8, missing Y7 completely. That makes life very difficult for the child. Personally I disagree with secondary schools that behave like this but you need to be aware that it does happen.

sleepingbunny · 03/01/2012 12:59

Hi
I deferred my (not particularly shy) July-born dd for a term, opting to keep her in the school's nursery instead. Why did I do it? Reception is full days and nursery was half - and we were enjoying what we did at home and she was enjoying what she did with her childminder two days a week as well. School were very supportive.
Did it work? We'll find out on Thursday. Certainly nursery teachers are convinced she is going up to Reception totall ready and far more confident. She doesn't see herself as 'the baby' anymore. At halfterm last year they decided that she was ready academically and popped her up there for phonics lessons daily. So she knows the drill, and her new teacher. And she's still friends with loads of kids from the Reception class.
I don't think we'll regret it. But maybe I'll be eating my words next week. Still, she's had a lovely term with us - the time before the education system gets your children seems all too short to me.

Sparklingbrook · 03/01/2012 13:01

It's September or nothing round here. End of June born v shy boy started with the rest and was absolutely fine. This was 2003 though, don't know if things have changed. There was the option of half days but nobody took it up.

prh47bridge · 03/01/2012 13:22

Yes, things have changed since 2003. Parents in England now have the absolute right to defer entry until later in the school year.

Sparklingbrook · 03/01/2012 13:23

Oh. Everything always changes after I can make use of it. Sad

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