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Diddee · 06/12/2011 14:44

Why do teachers seem so reluctant to reveal how a child is doing compared to the rest of the class? I mean... we all know we just want children to do 'their best' but really it DOES matter how they are doing compared to others their age... surely. Anyone would rather have a child who is achieving their potential and is average rather than achieving their potential but working 2 years under their chronological age...
hoping some teachers out there will help me see something I am missing.

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Diddee · 09/12/2011 21:12

Sounds like a riveting parent teacher meeting! These levels sometimes sound so false!

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learnandsay · 10/12/2011 08:40

I can't speak about national averages. I don't know about those yet. And I have an instinctive feeling that interclass comparisons would be unwarranted, unfair and unhelpful.

But aside from all that, aren't some teachers and head teachers just against explaining to parents what they're doing? One school we visited had a head who seem to regard questions as some form of disrespect. And produced a teacher who explained that parents asking direct questions about reading progress were pushy. With that sort of an attitude coming from the school, I can't see how a parent would be supposed to get any idea of a child's progress never mind a progress comparison of any sort, local or national.

mrz · 10/12/2011 10:31

If I compared children in my present class it would give a very false impression of their ability. The most able this year would have been least able if they had been in last year's class.

PastSellByDate · 16/12/2011 09:50

I think there are several really important points here that speak to the tension that can develop between home and school.

Parents naturally want to understand how their child is doing. I think we can all agree that happens and shouldn't be surprised.

Some parents are expressing it in terms of the class - because they know some of the children and have a sense of their ability and can then gauge where the DC is in comparison to children they actually know. I think what parents don't understand is this is unfair to all the children and as mrz rightly pointed out each year the attainment of a class (say Y4) can vary - one year a Y4 class can be struggling and the next year a Y4 class can be high fliers. So as many have suggested - it is best to consider your child against NC Levels for SATS (L1 - L3 KS1 and L1 - L5+ KS2).

Diddee I can understand that these prepared statements of targets seem very dry and not particularly helpful - but the APP system of breaking down learning into several components to achieve a secure level (say 3a for example) does mean that areas of weakness can be identified and explained to the parent.

However as a parent I agree with many comments that teachers often appear to speak vaguely about things generally. I certainly would love to see more class work coming home so that I could have a feel for what is being taught over the week - but our school says everything has to be saved for Ofsted. (is this true teachers out there?)

One thing that does strike me as unfortunate is that when parents are genuinely concerned about how their child is progressing and asking those tough questions and querying why x or y isn't happening at parent/ teacher meetings, after school, etc... and raising why x doesn't happen here when it is in place down the road at a nearby school... this type of parent is almost always labelled 'pushy' by teachers (which let's face it is pretty negative) - yet in the same breath schools are constantly asking for parental support and involvement.

The hugely depressing documentary How the West Went Bust by Robert Peston (still on BBC iplayer: episode 2 about education - www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b018jshh/The_Partys_Over_How_the_West_Went_Bust_Episode_2/) is worth viewing - as parents & as educators - because he quite clearly believes we are losing the economic battle here in the UK because we are not achieving or competing educationally.

PastSellByDate · 22/12/2011 09:02

Hi Diddee & mrz:

Found these videos on APP when researching difference between good and outstanding lessons (long story but Head at DDs school has been running about saying we're guaranteed 'Outstanding' and I'm thinking Hmm - so I was looking into what the new guidance from Ofsted is).

Anyway - 4 short clips about APP and how it works: www.teachersmedia.co.uk/series/app-how-does-it-work

For parents out there - teachersmedia has some really interesting videos - which help get behind what should be ideally occurring in Outstanding lessons - excellent series from good to outstanding - www.teachersmedia.co.uk/series/from-good-to-outstanding

I really enjoyed both series and found them useful to understand the theory behind all of this.

CardyMow · 28/12/2011 01:35

My dc's primary staunchly refused for YEARS to give out NC levels for individual parents, and I wanted to see just HOW far my DD was compared to national averages. So for the last two years that DD was at the primary school, I put in a Freedom of Information request every term, for the information. Ever since then, the school has printed the dc's NC level and the national average on the termly reports. Xmas Grin.

I think I tipped their hand a bit!

CardyMow · 28/12/2011 01:36

That was meant to read 'just HOW far behind my DD was'.

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