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Do your children go to an Ofsted 'Outstanding' school? Is it?

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MrsJAlfredPrufrock · 22/11/2011 12:03

My children go to an Ofsted 'Outstanding' primary school but it isn't even nearly as good as the their brother's old Ofsted 'Satisfactory' primary school.

How accurate is your children's school Ofsted rating?

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Igmum · 02/01/2012 23:41

DD goes to a primary school which has just been graded Outstanding. Unfortunately it's got that grade by systematically getting rid of any child with special needs (includes DD whose life has been made hell by them).

One of the biggest schools in the NW and almost none with special needs because the school won't support them. They have lost repeated court/education tribunal cases but they don't care and it seems they are right - Ofsted didn't even look at provision for special needs other than reading for those about to do SATs Shock. Social Services and CAMHS have repeatedly asked the school to provide support for DD but they won't - I guess special needs kids are not the sort of people they want in their master race.

Seriously it is probably a great school if your child intends to have no problems for their 7 years of primary school education and - preferably - is middle class and bright. Anyone anywhere on the special needs scale is not welcome and most leave (we're trying to - fingers crossed Grin)

I don't know how you ever prevent schools doing this but I've seen the effect it has had on a vulnerable 4 - 5 year old over the last year and a bit and no child should ever be put through that.

snowmaiden · 02/01/2012 23:47

My dd goes to an outstanding school, haven't see anything outstanding about it though! They don't appear to do anything I haven't seen in the schools I have worked in that were good or satisactory. In fact I think they are somewhat complacent as they have a bunch of very able kids and dedicated parents so don't really have to work ard to get good results in SATs. (which is what ofsted really care about)

teacherwith2kids · 03/01/2012 09:38

Threefeethigh,

I would say that you should consider ALL schools in your local area and look at ALL the information you can find - read the Ofsted report in detail, particularly if you know you will 'need' something in particular out of a school (e.g. SEN provision, stretching of a G&T child - I needed both, for the same child).

Look at SATs - treat 'raw' SATs scores as a measure of the school's intake, as they are a reasonably reliable guide to whether the school is generally, as a PP put it, 'middle class and bright' [there is also a general introductory paragraph at the beginning of the Ofsted report that gives you this kind of information]. Look much more closely at CVA in SATs results, as they show what a school actually doies with your children. Note, though, that they only apply to progress between end of KS1 and end of KS2 and give no information at all about what happens in the infants. A school which works exceptionally hard to get children from below expectations to above expectations in the infants, and then maintains them at above expectations will bizarrely get a lower CVA than a school which does nothing whatever in the infants but then gets their children from below expections to on expectations in juiniors! Also, don't obsess about small differences in CVA - 96 would be poor, for example, and 104 excellent, but there is no significant difference between, say, 99.7 and 100.3.

Look at historical data on SATs and Ofsted reports - is this a school that is 'satisfactory but rapidly improving', has it bumbled along between satisfactory and Special measures for a number of years, or has it declined from Outstanding to satisfactory? (I'd race to the first school, btw). You can also find the head's name on all reports - it can help you to track which schools have recently had a chabge of head for good or ill.

If you live locally, listen to school gate gossip BUT be aware that the 'on the street' reputation of a school takes a very long time to change. My children's school was, until the 1970s, a 3-16 school where the 11-16 part was a secondary modern. It is STILL, 30 years on, regarded quite baselessly as 'less academic' than another primary which used to be a 'feeder' for the grammar school... (probably doesn't help that one school has a 'wear school colours' uniform, and the other has shirts, ties and compulsory logo-ed jumpers and coats - 'it must be a better school, the children look so smart'!). Try to speak to a current parent from every school you are seriously considering - schools may well be happy to put you in touch with someone.

Then visit, visit, visit. Be REALLY nosy when you visit - ask questions like 'I saw that you were Satisfactory in your last ofsted and it identified x,y and z as areas to improve - can you show me what you have done to address that?' (when I asked the head of an 'Outstanding' primary what he thought helped him to keep this rating and he started talking about how he worked on 'excluding the riff raff' I knew that my children weren't going there!). Look at displays. Are they recent? What is the children's writing like? Linger in classes as you are shown round - is the teaching dynamic? Are the children on task? Would YOU like to be part of the lesson? How do the children move around the school / out to break / queue for lunch? They may be cheerful, bouncy, excitable, but are they also polite, reasonably orderly and friendly towards one another?

ArthurPewty · 03/01/2012 09:56

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threefeethighandrising · 03/01/2012 11:41

That's really useful, thanks very much Smile

MGMidget · 30/01/2012 13:08

My son is attending two OFSTED 'outstanding' nurseries on a part-time basis at the moment so I have the chance to make a direct comparison. He's been attending one of them for two and half years and my gut feeling at first was it that was probably better than the 'outstanding' school nursery he started attending in the afternoons last September. However, the school nursery has turned out to be way better for him than the other nursery, much to my surprise. It is much bigger and looks quite shambolic when you first walk in but the teaching is fantastic. Despite being much bigger than his other nursery and with a lower teacher to child ratio (in theory) they seem able to give him more personal attention and he is learning much more. They also carefully assess his abilities each term and give plenty of parent feedback. His other nursery give no parent feedback at all unless asked and then it is very limited and vague! The one and only time I sat down with the teacher for 5 minutes at my request to get feedback on him she made it clear he was well ahead of the goals for his age and waved her paperwork at me to show her notes on this. I got the impression that as he was they didn't think they needed to do anything with him. They seem however, to be really hot on filling in paperwork but that's all it seems to be....paperwork! They are in a more deprived area though and have some children who don't speak English when they start with them so I suspect OFSTED make allowances for this in their assessment.

So what I suggest, if at all possible is to try to speak to parents with children in both the schools you are considering. I think the OFSTED report only tells part of the story, but also first impressions and gut feeling aren't always right either. Also, some schools will suit different children better than others. While my son is thriving in the school nursery I spoke to another parent who's child is struggling to make friends and settle and the nursery haven't been as supportive as they might have been. So I think different schools suit different children.

insanityscratching · 30/01/2012 16:55

Dd's school is rated satisfactory, although latest monitoring report said good. It's rated outstanding for SEN and IMO it's a fantastic school. I certainly wouldn't move my dd from her current school to the OFSTED outstanding one anyway, it seems to me like it's resting on it's laurels a bit and depends a little too much on it's middle class catchment to boost it's results rather than fantastic teaching from what I could see anyway.
Ds's is rated outstanding and definitely is outstanding but it's an independent specialist school so I'd expect them to be outstanding to justify fees of £50,000pa tbh.

SardineQueen · 30/01/2012 17:16

DD has just started reception in a satisfactory school

I chose it over the outstanding one as it has a nicer walk to school and is smaller, and most of the neighbours children go there, and when I went to see it the head knew all the children by name
Now she is there I like the individual attention the children get, the speed they sorted out minor issues with them when they started reception, the atmosphere of caring and kindness, nurturing, that sort of vibe. The children all seem to like it and look happy.

I was less fussed about the results TBH that's not the most important thing at a primary school for me.

ShatnersBassoon · 30/01/2012 17:21

The 'Outstanding' school my children go to only stands out from those around it. On a national scale, it's nothing special.

The facilities aren't adequate for the number of children they have and the buildings are outdated and bursting at the seams. It's convenient to get to though, and the teachers seem to try hard to get the best from what they have.

aftereight · 30/01/2012 17:42

DD goes to an 'outstanding' primary. I am not overly impressed with the communication (school-home) and the attitude of some of the teachers. Her (excellent) current teacher didn't read with her for 2 whole months recently Shock as she was concentraring her stretched time on the less able readers. This is Y2. I do wonder if she would be better off at the local OFSTED 'good' school.

ilovedjasondonovan · 30/01/2012 18:59

My kids go to a 'failed' school - and LOVE it. It failed on the management rather than the teaching. It isn't always whats on the outside that counts.

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