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Any tips for being less involved in PTA? Bit long...

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becstarsky · 22/11/2011 10:58

Our school PTA is a bit cliquey and not my scene - I don't have much in common with them. They say those slighty-racist-Daily-Mail type things that make my teeth itch. Which considering it's an inner London primary is all a bit weird. I really don't want it to be 'my clique' at the school gates even though I'm happy to chip in for the cake sale, or do a few hours helping out a few times a year.

Trouble is I get collared at the school gates every single day and constant e-mails asking me to do stuff for them and when I say 'no' I get so much martyrdom 'Oh fine then, I'll do it, even though I've got the same flu as you, and our skiing trip to organise, and our dog's just died and the children are devastated, but FINE then, I'll do it...Unless you can do it for me instead?'. Every time I say 'no' it gets bounced back to me over and over again, so I've said 'no' to the same thing ten times before they accept it and even then it's treated it was like my responsibility that I have shirked (ie this thing they've asked me to do that was never my idea in the first place) - am collared at the school gates and one of them will say 'Oh by the way, I did do that thing for you.' 'What the thing you asked me to do by e-mail?' "Yes I did it FOR YOU" How is that doing something for me - I'm not on the committee, it wasn't my idea to do it in the first place, I had nothing to do with it apart from saying 'no' to it! My trouble is that I don't even agree that the things that they are asking me to do actually need doing at all (ie. why does our school's winter fair HAVE to be bigger than the neighbouring school's? Because apparently, it does...) My friends have all managed to steer clear, or to help out occasionally without being grabbed all the time. How do people do that? That's what I need to know...

I'm so on the defensive and nervous as I walk up to the school as they literally physically grab my arm if I try to just say 'hello' and walk on by. One of them told me I was going to be president of the PSA next term. I said that since I don't attend any meetings that's not going to happen. He said that once I'm president I'll have to attend, and I said 'I'm working at the time you have meetings, it's not going to happen.' He said 'We'll have to change the day of the meetings then because no-one else can do it' (Really? In a school with 400 kids? Or am I the only English person with a posh accent who can do it, which is what I suspect... I think they've mistaken me for 'one of us' - otherwise I can't explain why they stick to me like glue - I'm not particularly charming company Grin And I'm actually rubbish at organising stuff.). Have any of you got tips to get a bit of distance? I would hate the PTA to become a big part of my life as I really don't enjoy anything about the stuff they do, and the people just aren't my cup of tea. If they just did a bit of fund-raising without it being super-competitive, if they weren't the only middle-class English people in the whole school all collected together in a huddle isolated from the diversity of the school, if they weren't so goddam pushy, if they didn't make snotty comments about Muslims (in a school where Islam is the majority religion by far), if they didn't get on my nerves so much... but they are and they do and it is. Help!

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redskyatnight · 22/11/2011 11:39

Your PTA sounds awful. I would practice saying "no". But ... as a member of a (non-cliquey, not overbearing, actually rather shy) school PTA with only a few members it is really hard NOT to pounce on anyone who even vaguely offers to help sometimes so I do get some of the why they want to recruit you.

Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 22/11/2011 11:40

Just avoid them. Give a civil nod as you go in but don't let them engage you in conversation. Go and chat to other parents who are not in the PTA. Just keep saying keep saying "no" when they ask you to do stuff that you don't want. Even say "I'm not that interested in being involved in the PTA". I'm sure they'll go away. As for the inappropriate comments just say "I find that offensive". I'm sure they won't want to pester you if you do all these things!

IndigoBell · 22/11/2011 11:44

I guess if they are that cliquey, then the more you hang out with the parents who 'aren't their type', then the more they'll leave you alone?

Maybe don't respond to their emails at all?

Or suggest that they hold the next meeting at the local mosque so that more parents can come

AMumInScotland · 22/11/2011 11:46

Practice your blank stare? Looking utterly baffled when people go on about stuff can make them lose the will to keep trying Grin. Or just lose your rag with them and have a good old shouting match at the school gate about what you think of their attitudes and expectations and how if they didn't all come across as racist busybodies they might find more people willing to get involved.

whyme2 · 22/11/2011 11:47

go to school in full islamic dress

bugsonbuns · 22/11/2011 12:10

Odd...does the PTA do well (fundraising wise) within the school? Sounds like they'd alienate the majority of the parent community with their attitudes. Can't stand that type of behaviour.

But - as to your problem. Do you work? Could you cite a change of job/circumstances/new responsibilities which mean you're less available than you were?

Or turn their comments back on them. Next time a 'I did that FOR YOU' remark comes your way, say 'Yes, thanks sooo much for that. I've been meaning to speak to you....I'm really swamped at the moment and hate to feel I'm letting you guys down - so I'm GOING to take more of a back seat in organising things for the PTA. I'd be happy to be on your email list of occassional helpers though'

Or just keep saying 'no' until they get the message.

bugsonbuns · 22/11/2011 12:13

OR....go ahead and become Chair of the PTA and then whip their arses into shape/getting rid of them by changing the dynamic of the whole thing - having lots of fundraisers to celebrate and encourage diversity and inclusion!

becstarsky · 22/11/2011 12:19

I think you're right about part of why they pounce - I've helped before and not everyone wants to and it must be difficult to ask others. But I'm sure they'd get more help if they were more welcoming of diversity, rather than obsessively going for someone like me i.e. literally the only other English middle class mum in the playground... I do need to practice being a bit chillier I think - I'm far too smiley, it always gets me into trouble.
They would be hurt and baffled if I accused them of being racist. They are just ignorant, living in that privately-educated-second-home-in-Devon-three-holidays-a-year-Daily-Mail bubble. When they talk about the Muslim families at school as 'they' (as in 'Do they celebrate Christmas, does anyone know? Can we google it?' and 'I don't understand why they have to object to pork sausages at the barbeque. I mean, I'm vegetarian, and I don't mind there being some pork fat on there with my veggie burger. It's not as if they ever help with the barbeque anyway.') Ignorance. I find the ignorance of the expensively educated far more annoying than that of a London taxi driver, for some reason. That's clearly my own prejudice talking.

I shall practice blank stares and civil nods in the mirror before the school run today Grin (ARGH! See, I just smiled again! Can't restrain myself!)

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becstarsky · 22/11/2011 12:26

x-posted! I like that little speech bugsonbuns - good way to turn it around!

The PTA do raise a lot for the school, fair play to them. It's the social side of things I can't stand. I must admit being Chair crossed my mind - just for the sake of working on bringing more diversity to it. But then I thought about all the things that I really do want to do with my life, and it would be a huge time investment for something that isn't that close to my heart, when the things which are close to my heart are difficult to fit in to my life as it is, iyswim.

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MayaAngelCool · 22/11/2011 12:32

Grin at whyme2!

They sound bizarre and hideous. Tell them
that next time you see them. Job done. Grin

Jezabelle · 22/11/2011 12:40

I'd leave the PTA I think. Bit defeatist I know, but they sound thouroughly unpleasant! If you're not on the PTA can you just then offer to do jobs ie cake baking etc when you want to without them putting as much preasure on you to do the lion's share!

becstarsky · 22/11/2011 13:03

Glad I'm not getting any 'well, suck it up because PTAs do so much for schools you unhelpful wretch' replies, because I can be a bit of a people-pleaser and I honestly expected a couple of those!

Sadly Jezabelle I can't leave the PTA because... I never joined! I haven't been to a PTA meeting since halfway through last year, have never been on the committee, don't attend evening meet-ups or anything. I just get collared as I pick up DS or drop him off. I even suggested to DS that he could go to breakfast club, so that I would have a longer working day (and could avoid the school gates) but DS wasn't having any of it...

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MayaAngelCool · 22/11/2011 20:45

Right, you! From one ex-people pleaser to a soon-to-be-ex-people pleaser: the first person you need to please is yourself.

Here endeth the sermon. Grin

Jezabelle · 22/11/2011 21:27

Would it help to just make friends with nice people? Focuss on a few lovely mums and set up a few play dates with their dcs and yours. If your dcs do after school clubs, you could offer to pick them up afterwards or whatever. That way, you'll have reason to hang out with them in the playground.

Could you also suggest to the PTA gang that they put letters in book bags to ask for help with these jobs and explain that you are not on the PTA because you simply don't have the time and as a working mum you have to prioritise your dcs in your spare time.

Good luck!

Dorje · 22/11/2011 22:41

Just laugh and say "you're funny... I'm not on the committee because I don't have time".
Then say "good luck with it", and walk on by!

Also bounce back your emails and if quizzed about this, say you've got a new job and email, and that you can't take personal emails now.

becstarsky · 23/11/2011 11:01

MayaAngelCool I like that. That is going to my new year's resolution, and I'm going to start it early - becs is going to start pleasing herself, goddammit. I just told DH and he said 'Well, hallelujah!' - very clearly in favour. I actually got asked to a job interview for a full time job today... Funny, I hadn't even started looking properly, but an old colleague has recommended me for something. I can feel myself slipping through the PTAs fingers Grin

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Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 23/11/2011 14:05

That's good news. Hope the interview goes well Grin

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