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Help! Moving to London with 5 year old

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Polkapink · 02/11/2011 13:06

Hello everybody,

We will be moving in Jan 2012 to London. My son will be 5 years in Jan 2012 and i am interested in putting him in state primary school. As of now I have shortlisted a few areas purely with what I have read online. Areas being Wimbledon, Wansted, Richmond on thames. Please can anyone help with the following questions

  1. Are the above mentioned areas good for state schools? I know I have a bleak chance into getting into outstanding schools as per ofsted report but how bleak is bleak? :)
  2. I am also wondering if I can possibly put him into a Montessori or independent school just for the remainder of the reception year and by then hopefully gain admission for year 1 into one of the very good schools. Are there any good independent schools that are below 2500 per term in fees?
  1. My husband will be commuting into central London everyday so please let me know any boroughs that are safe, family oriented, rent not more than 1500 per month and with not more than a 40min ride into the city. Thank you so much for reading and I look forward to reading your responses.
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Bonsoir · 02/11/2011 17:48

Are you going to be working? If not, you could live further out of London and get a nicer area with a 30/40 minute commute. Sevenoaks, or Harpenden, sort of distance.

bibbitybobbitybloodyaxe · 02/11/2011 17:58

What size/type of property do you need for £1500 per month?

Gigondas · 02/11/2011 21:14

Richmond is within commute distance but issue with schools is that they are very full so you will almost certainly be on a wait list and no guarantee when get a place. Private schools also can be very full although may be better chance of getting place depending on where you look . I haven't checked all fees but would imagine your budget isn't unrealistic .

Have you thought about blackheath/Greenwich as good schools etc there and If your dh is in docklands/city it's probably an easier commute from there than sw London.

Polkapink · 03/11/2011 10:04

Thank you for replying! I am not going to start working immediately upon arriving in London. Can you please recommend a few nice places? Good schools where I am not on the wait list maybe?:)

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Polkapink · 03/11/2011 10:05

BBBA: Thank you for the response. We are looking for a 2 bedroom flat...furnished would be good!

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Polkapink · 03/11/2011 10:08

Gigondas: Thank you for the info! I have been looking at Richmond and like you have mentioned, the only factor is whether or not we would have a spot at a good school for at least Sept 2012. Strangely Greenwich was my first choice ( Deptford Bridge to be exact) but from what I have been reading on forums regarding the safety of Greenwich, I dont see very many positive things being written:( Is the safety ( or lack of it) hyped up more than it actually is?:) Please dont mind me asking...

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gottasmile · 03/11/2011 10:14

My sister's just rented a 2 bedroom flat in Wimbledon for £1500 per month.

Wimbledon is very family oriented, safe, has nice parks etc.

QuintessentialShadow · 03/11/2011 10:15

In Richmond, SW13 / SW14 there are three outstanding primaries, Barnes Primary, East Sheen and Sheen Mount. It is a lovely area with good commuter links to central London. It is green and leafy, family oriented, with parks and playgrounds. You can go walking/cycling along the Thames, and you are within easy reach of Richmond Park and Wimbledon Common.

I would start with calling the Richmond educational authority and ask where there is a place. Your son will be an "in year admission" so wont have to apply as such. Tell them the schools you have shortlisted.

mrsravelstein · 03/11/2011 10:20

i used to live near wanstead. state schools fairly iffy but will be oversubscribed so you'd probably have to go private until a place came up. 1500 would get you a 2 bed flat there though, and it IS a very nice area, easy commute on the tube into town.

Polkapink · 03/11/2011 11:37

Gottasmile, qs and mrsravel, please could you give me the names of any flats that your/your family have lived at in Wimbledon, Richmond and wan stead? That would give me a better picture rather than finalizing something by solely looking at it online. Also, any names of state schools in these areas? Other than Richmond which qs has already mentioned:)thanks so much!

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QuintessentialShadow · 03/11/2011 11:43

Dont have any names, but Rightmove is pretty good. Do the same for sw13. Or draw a map around the areas of the schools mentioned.

areyoutheregoditsmemargaret · 03/11/2011 11:51

Very good state school in Richmond with a couple of places free is Lowther. You can PM me if you want to know more. You won't get a place at the schools QS has mentioned.

QuintessentialShadow · 03/11/2011 11:54

How do you know that? When we moved here we were told about free places in all three. It depends on the ages of children, and who moves.

gottasmile · 03/11/2011 11:58

I second rightmove, that's what we did. Then ring some agents and they'll show you around a few. Foxtons actually take you there themselves. Then you'll have a real idea of what's on offer.

Staverton · 03/11/2011 12:03

Just make sure you understand school catchment areas and move into the appropriate one. If you are an in year transfer you want to be at the top of the list. Sheen, barnes and Richmond all lovely and safe- there is some plane noise though

BeattieBow · 03/11/2011 12:05

I moved to London with 3 primary aged children in the summer. I agree that the first thing you ahve to do is phone the admissions team of the different local authorities. They will tell you which schools currently have places in reception (agree it is unlikely at this stage to be any of the outstanding ones, but who knows, people may move at Christmas!). I would also say you should phone the schools that you like. They have more up to date information than the local authority about the families, and may have heard who is planning to leave at Christmas. they may not have notified the admissions team then.

When you have the information, you should rent a flat as close to the school as you can. You will only get a place at the school (unless it is a church school ) if you are top of the waiting list. For most schools that would mean living closest.

If you are lucky enough to fulfill church school criteria then you may get a place in a church school.

I don't know about the areas you are looking at (although I did phone Wimbledon as part of my initial search), as I moved to N London, but I expect it is quite similar! in N London there aren't places in reception in the good schools, but people do move on alot. I got offered places in a very good school for all 3 of my children (now years 2,4, and 6) which I was amazed at!

As for your final question about going to a private school for a year, I wouldn't do this if funds are tight. I would put your ds into a state school and then move him when places become available in your preferred school. You may have to rent very close to your preferred school to do this (check catchment areas with the Loc Auth), but places should become available in time.

Good luck!

It is very stressful I know.

BeattieBow · 03/11/2011 12:09

on findaproperty.com you can put in a distance measure on so that it tells you how far each property is from a school. Sometimes the catchments for each school are absolutely tiny. (my chosen school for my ds2 who would start next Sept, the furthest anyone lived from it last year was 0.14 of a mile).

QuintessentialShadow · 03/11/2011 12:10

If you do go down the private route, there are plenty of independent schools in and near East sheen / Barnes. Tower House, Ibstock Place, to name two schools I know of that the parents are rating very highly. You can then move to the catchment of your choice and wait for a place. But speaking to Admissions will give you an idea.

Jenny70 · 03/11/2011 14:19

If you are looking for a place Jan 2012 then admissions will know which schools currently have places for that year group - of course they can't guarentee noone else will move in and take them, but it's a good start.

If the schools are full, you are taking a gamble to think you'll get a place after christmas if someone leaves... siblings waiting get top priority and then it is based on distance from school (in most areas).

In Richmond-upon-thames schools, especially richmond and st margarets area, the reception classes are VERY full, the vinyard had to take 9 extra children on top of its bulge class to make capacity (ie. 99 students in 3 classes) and other reception kids ares are yet to start as the schools are building new rooms to be avail after christmas!

Decide on a school, see what you can rent (and afford) and then hope that places don't get allocated elsewhere.

Richmond is a very family friendly area, with very safe atmosphere etc. But school places are a nightmare.

Good luck

castlesintheair · 03/11/2011 14:27

There's a great private school in Richmond called Kew College and the fees are about £2500 or less (can't remember exactly). I'd definitely ring them though there is every chance you will get into one of the local state primaries (all good) as the area is so transient.

DunRovin · 03/11/2011 14:33

Move right on to the doorstep of a school you like but which has high mobility. These are often not the schools in the very settled middle class home owning areas, but close to big housing estates and lots of rented flats. Places come up in year in these schools more often than in others. Moving v close to a BIG school increases your chances of finding places 'in year', as there are more people so a greater chance of someone leaving.
Schools that fall into this category could include Clapham Manor in Clapham, Rosendale ion W Dulwich, Goodrich in E Dulwich, for example.
All nice places to live, with v easy commutes.

ThoraNogson · 03/11/2011 14:41

Kew College fees are £2700 a term but the school is fabulous and is keen to attract more boys so may well have a place for your son. And Kew is a brilliant place to live.

Polkapink · 03/11/2011 16:47

Hello everybody,
I cannot thank each of you enough for the responses given. I have emailed the admissions department of Harrow, Richmond, Greenwich, Merton and red bridge of which Harrow and Merton have replied back. Harrow says they have admissions open all year round and i am quite certain that the ones that are excellent must be more than full. Merton said that there are vacancies at Joseph wood, Merton abbey and William Morris. Please let me know if any of these are good.

I like what I am learning about Richmond so far. Thank you thoranogson for letting me know about kew college. I am very stressed about gaining admission and am banking on all you lovely people for some sound advice. Thanks again!

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Polkapink · 03/11/2011 16:52

UPDATE...all the councils I emailed also specifically mentioned that they do not accept online applications for in-year applications. I cannot possibly fathom as to how I am going to finalize on renting a flat based on an assumption that the area will have openings in good schools.:(

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BeattieBow · 03/11/2011 17:06

polka, it's a crap system. I had to move and have a flat, utility bills and be on the council tax register BEFORE i could apply for school places.
My advice would be to identify the school you want your to end up in and rent as close to that school as possible. Then accept that you might be in another state school or private school for a while.

I would also suggest phoning the admissions people (pretty regularly!) and the schools and making sure you are in their minds. I'm sure my admissions team got fed up with hearing from me!