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The term after a child is 5

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tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 27/10/2011 21:03

If a nursery is willinging, is it possible for a child to remain in nursery for a year?

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Harecare · 27/10/2011 21:04

Why would you want to do that? I can understand keeping a child at home until the term after their 5th birthday, but not sure why you'd want them in nursery instead of school.

mrz · 27/10/2011 21:09

Do you mean can you keep your child in nursery rather than send them to school the term after they are 5?

tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 27/10/2011 21:12

Yes mrz perhaps as part of home ed??? This isnt for me but a friend who is trying to move all 3 children to a new school, and there is only space for older children.

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cuppatea2 · 27/10/2011 21:16

yes you can stay to end of term in which they are 5 if nursery is willing, they will still get the necessary funding.

easiest way to address would be to chat to nursery and offer to get confirmatio of funding situation for them from la

mrz · 27/10/2011 21:18

Your friend doesn't have to send their child/children to school at all but they must be in "education"
I think the problem would be in funding as nursery funding will end when the child reaches statutory school age.

tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 27/10/2011 21:24

I know my own nursery (attached to prep school) allowed a child to back class......is that because they are independent though??? Yes I see what you mean about the funding, I was wondering though as it would still be the Foundation stage, if funding would still be allowed, just in a different setting?

Clearly a school place may well come up, if not the following year, year 1 they would have to home ed...

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cuppatea2 · 27/10/2011 21:38

what is thechild date of birth - we can then tell you the latest date up until which thechild will qualify for nursery funding - I think it will be the endof the term in which they have their 5th birthday

tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 27/10/2011 21:43

cuppatea2 yes, but the term after they are 5 is my question....

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mrz · 27/10/2011 22:03

By law, parents / carers must ensure that their children are receiving suitable full-time education at the beginning of the term after their fifth birthday.

Saracen · 28/10/2011 08:24

Check what ages the nursery is licensed to take on. If the child falls within those ages then it should be OK, and in fact I don't think they are allowed to turn a child away if they have a space... except for the funding problem. Funding for nursery education ends when the child reaches compulsory education age, so the parents would have to foot the bill from then.

In a few rare cases LAs have funded children with SENs to remain at nursery past the start of compulsory education age, but it doesn't sound like that is relevant here and anyway it would probably be a long battle to get that approved. But in general no, you can't apply the funding which would be available to an older child to another setting such as a nursery. If there were loopholes to be exploited here, then parents would be able to apply this funding towards the cost of private schooling during compulsory school age, which they can't do.

Because the child must be in full-time education from the term after his fifth birthday, if the child is in nursery part-time then I should think the parents would have to supplement the education the child receives there, but that is straightforward - it doesn't have to be formal learning.

You might ask this question on the home ed board: some parents whose children are enjoying nursery keep them on at nursery as long as possible, so somebody there might know. I think they tend to leave when the funding dries up! Your friend may want to look into home education at any rate.

3duracellbunnies · 28/10/2011 08:30

If their birthday is before dec then they must start in the jan, if before mar/april must start by the april and if a summer baby must start by the sept, but they will still be with their year group, so if starting in sept after summer birthday will go straight to yr 1. Funding @ nursery available until term compulsory schooling due to start, so jan, april or sept depending on their birthday. Your friend could just home ed until there is a space, this could continue for as long as she liked, or until space available. You would prob want to suppliment nursery input as otherwise would fall behind peers when they do start. My dd1 was in v oversubscribed one class intake, so far three children have left in 2yrs, so might be worth hanging on for space in same school.

adelaofblois · 29/10/2011 14:00

Until they are due to be in compulsory education (i.e. the term after they turn five) you can do what you like with them-and supported places in nursery should continue to be funded.

If the nursery is willing then of course your friend can continue beyond that-although there may be both funding, registration and insurance issues which mean their ability to help is less than their personal willingness. Contrary to what has been said, nurseries are not obliged to offer places unless they break discrimination law by not doing so, even if parents are willing to pay. In practice, this means they must offer spaces fairly to under school age children, it doesn't meant they have to provide for children who could otherwise be in school.

The difficulty will be in arguing that nursery is providing a suitable level of education. Although they operate within the EYFS, many do not have a qualified teacher providing planning, and fewer still have teachers actually in the room all the time. Many nurseries feel they are not 'allowed' to teach reading due to the lack of qualifications in those doing the teaching. It would seem to me very hard to make the argument this was suitable or equivalent on its own. Perhaps combined with other schooling but that, like all cases, would be assessed on the individual education on offer.

The other point is that you seem to be writing here of a child who would otherwise be in Reception. Infant Class Size rules will apply until the end of YR2, and so it may be a space doesn't open up in the school until Yr3 or, if it does, there is someone higher on the waiting list (although siblings in school will help significantly). Nursery may be an option for this year, but not for the ones after, and your friend therefore needs to think now about putting plans in place either for home ed or for another school too.

I don't know the practicalities, but wouldn't enrolling at another acceptable school, with appropriate teaching and introduction to school life, be better than staying at nursery for an indefinite period? The cost implications of nursery (both fees and loss of income providing home ed) will impact on the family (and are likely to be significantly higher than the corresponding sacrifices in traveling to a more distant school) the child will need to move settings and friendship groups anyway, and much that is learned about 'school' will still be applicable.

tryingtobemarypoppins2 · 29/10/2011 22:52

Thank you for your comments and ideas. I will link these to her. Thanks again.

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