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Are these odd words to learn in Reception

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Schnullerbacke · 24/09/2011 20:52

Had things like: it, at, up, dog, and, I, in, am etc last week. This week its look, you, away, to, the. It just seems like an odd jump to me.

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Feenie · 25/09/2011 12:09

Tricky words from letters and sounds are taught - they are mostly phonically regular with a tricky bit, which is how we are asked to teach them.

blackeyedsusan · 25/09/2011 13:03

I would have loved to have paired up feenie and dd's reception teacher. notes were added to the reading diary about using picture clues being a strategy used by weaker readers. this after several weeks of trying to wean her off picture clues only fo the teacher to tell her to get more of the story from the picture.... and back to the wild guesses. i was cross.

are the still doing letters and sounds? it has been archived but I can not find new guidance.

banana87 · 25/09/2011 13:05

Not a teacher but tutor children aged reception up. The words you have been given sound like high frequency words, i.e. the words they are likely to come across the most when reading. Not unusual at all if you think about how frequently they are used.

mrz · 25/09/2011 13:25

Not unusual if you don't teach children how to decode effectively ... honestly can anyone believe that it, in, at, am, up need to be taught as sight words at any stage in the learning process.

Feenie · 25/09/2011 13:30

Yes, letters and sounds is still current, but was never statutory. You would have to have a phonics programme in place which was equally effective, though - I believe mrz does this.

Feenie · 25/09/2011 13:31

Have I remembered that correctly, mrz - you change the learning order slightly?

lovingthecoast · 25/09/2011 13:58

Thanks, Feenie!
Mrz, we didn't have words like that as tricky words. We had words like, the, said and they. I think they went on to be stuff like some and their though I can't quite remember the order.

I'm just curious to know whether she shouldn't have had these and if not, how she should have tackled words like this in her reading books? Or should she not have had reading books so early even though she could read phonetic words such as star and duck.

lovingthecoast · 25/09/2011 14:00

Mainly interested as I have two more to come through Reception.

mrz · 25/09/2011 14:13

I trialled Letters & Sounds when it first came out but found it very slow. We use Jolly Phonics to introduce the phonemes and teach a new sound every day so have covered what would be L & S phases 2,3 & 4 by November. The next term and a half is spent consolidating the learning and applying what they have been taught and some children move onto what would be L & S phases 5 & 6 in the summer term.
I give children reading books as soon as they can decode the words but that relies on the school using a phonics reading scheme until the child is reading with some degree of fluency. If the school is still using the old ORT or Ginn 360 books it is more difficult.

cat64 · 25/09/2011 15:09

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spanieleyes · 25/09/2011 15:19

Asking children to memorise words isn't helping them, teaching them how to decode words is.

Feenie · 25/09/2011 15:20

It comes in very quickly, cat64, taught as 'th' with a tricky 'e' to make 'the'.

TheMonster · 25/09/2011 15:21

They seem normal to me for reception.

mrz · 25/09/2011 15:24

cat64 really? wonder how so many 4 year olds manage everyday Hmm

TheMitfordsMaid · 25/09/2011 15:30

Very interested in this thread. My DS is in reception and has been given words like "pulled" and "pushed" as well as the words appearing on the list linked to below. I started a thread about a few days ago because it seems so uninspiring. I've made the flashcards into giant ones and getting him to jump on them, but I really wish we didn't have this so early on without any instruction from t school.

CocktailQueen · 25/09/2011 15:37

In our school, Jolly Phonics and Letters and Sounds are used in reception so that children learn to recognise letters, letter sounds, to blend sounds, and also words that can't be sounded out but which have to be learned. My ds has books home at the mo with words at the back that he shoudl try to recognise - a, the, at, can. Nothign as tricky as your ds's!!

Feenie · 25/09/2011 15:39

They are Oxford Reading Tree words - school must be using a sight word scheme from the start Sad

spanieleyes · 25/09/2011 15:40

But he shouldn't need to "recognise" a,the,at or can. They can all be sounded out perfectly easily, only the /e/ sound is even slightly "tricky"

TheMitfordsMaid · 25/09/2011 15:49

They do use ORT but on the home visit they said that they used phonics to teach reading. I asked the question because I didn't do any phonics at school and feel very uneasy about helping him at home as I don't really understand decoding and blending references on mumsnet.

Feenie · 25/09/2011 15:58

That's not good - they are teaching reading using phonics, and using a sight reading scheme for practice. Some schools still use ORT because they can't afford to replace it (my own ds's included, it would seem), but that should have been a priority for a long time now.

TheMitfordsMaid · 25/09/2011 16:13

I am a new governor so will ask questions on this at my meeting with the head next week. MN is so useful in so many different ways!

maizieD · 25/09/2011 16:27

I asked the question because I didn't do any phonics at school and feel very uneasy about helping him at home as I don't really understand decoding and blending references on mumsnet.

This thread is moving so fast that someone might alrteady have explained this, but:

Every single word in spoken English is made up of a series of 'sounds' (technically known as phonemes), from one sound words (a, I & eye) to words comprising many sounds.

Written English has evolved by using alphabet letters as a 'code' for each sound. As there are only 26 alphabet letters, which represent 23 sounds and there are about 44 sounds used in spoken English, some letters are combined to represent sounds. This encoding of sounds is complicated by the fact that historically English has absorbed many words from different languages and still uses the code of the originating language (which may differ from the code used by English at the time the words were absorbed). Consquently there are often a number of letter combinations which may represent the same sound (usually a vowel sound).

'Phonics' teaches the sounds of English and the letter, or letters, which represent each sound. With that knowledge children are able to 'sound out' (decode) each letter (or group of letters) in a word, then 'blend' the sounds together to produce the word they represent.

Good, systematic phonics teaching teaches children one way (usually the simplest) each sound is represented (simple code) and then goes on to teach the alternative ways that sounds can be represented. There are about 160 - 180 common ways of representing the phonemes of English.

As they learn, children are given texts on which to practice which use the code which they have already learned and the code they are learning. Some children are able to 'self teach' once they have the idea, many children need all of the code explicitly taught to them.

Learning the common ways that sounds are represented presents a far lighter cognitive load than trying to individually learn, as 'wholes', the 25,000 ish words which would make up a good reading vocabulary (which is actually physically impossible unless one has an exceptional memory). It also gives children the knowledge with which they can independently 'decode' any unfamilar word they come across.

Some people who have been taught by 'whole word' learning very often intuit the code for themselves and do become good readers. They may not even realise that they have done this and often tend to think that 'whole word' learning is fine because they can read OK. Sadly, at least 25% of children fail to learn very much at all by this method, apart from some simple words and the 45 HFWs that they have been flashcarded with since Reception!

lovingthecoast · 25/09/2011 19:46

Sorry, can I ask for clarification again? Smile
The reading books DD1 had home last year were newer, phonic based ones and the school was using Jolly Phonics to teach reading. However, within a week she was given tricky words such as, the and me these then progressed onto words like said and there then later on I remember words like because.

So, my question is (sorry to hijack OP's thread) Should she not have had these words home so early? As I said, she knew most of the phonemes but not some of the trickier ones like 'oi'. I'm just wondering how they read even the simplest books without learning the simplest tricky words alongside the phonemes. Or should she not have had a book so early?

DD1 has just started Y1 now and is a fairly fluent reader so the approach obviously did her no harm. However, DD2 starts Reception next year and is not as able. She is doing fine and currently knows about 6 or 7 sounds which I guess is average for her age but I want to make sure that the approach taken by school will also be the correct one for a child who is of average ability. Smile

mrz · 25/09/2011 19:55

Word that have a tricky phoneme such as me and the are introduced quite early because they are useful words for reading and writing. They shouldn't be taught as sight words however.

CocktailQueen · 25/09/2011 20:33

spanieleyes - sorry, I meant sound out (not recognise) words including as/at/the - from the story he's just read. Sorry!

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