Sorry - another question about acheivment levels on reports.

[katedan]

I know there has been a number of questions about this type of thing in the last couple of weeks but I cannot find an answer to this question so am really hoping someone can answer for me before I go to speak to DS's teacher. In an academic year I thought a child should go up two levels i.e from 2c to 2a or 3c to 3a. If that has not happened is it correct that I should speak to ds's teacher to find out why. he has A's for effort for all his subjects so we are very proud of him but if there ia problem I would like to deal with it now.

mrz - getting confused about the sub-level progress expected in KS1! Can you give me an estimation about what levels a child who had, according to her report, made GOOD progress in year 2 be at now with these levels at the end of year 1?

Numeracy - 1a
Writing - 2c
Reading/comprehension - 2a.

I know it doesn't really matter and I will probably find out soon enough, just curious. thanks.

OP: It is extremely common to read on MN about children who were reported as having a dip from y2-y3. So frequently mentioned that I wouldn't read anything into it if it happened to mine (usually DC don't get NC levels reported for y3, though).

I think I have the only child in England who did the opposite, lol; at start of y3 I got told his y2 SATs were well below his actual ability.

Just checked - this year the invisible 3c syndrome affects 2 children - that's 8% for us. We have around 33% 3bs on average.

Yes, mrz, they may stop this with the binning of CVA. And then level 3s should go up, city wide!

I would expect a child at the end of Y1 to make a full level progress in a year lovecheese.
2a
3c
3a

Thanks for that mrz. Will let you know how she gets on. I assumed it was 2 sub-levels, not a full level.

It's usually accepted 2 sub levels in KS2 although strictly speaking 11/2 meets government expectations

Ok DD (year 2) got:
english - 3 for listening 3 for reading and 2a for writing
maths - 2a
science 3

my questions?

• Why don't they subdivide level 3 in a/b/c?
• To me this sounds pretty good - but the headteacher said in the report that DD isn't achieving her potential - was she expecting her to get all level 3s? Would that be usual in year 2?

Wish I knew why they don't sublevel levels 1 & 3 - we do on internal tracking, but End of KS 1 spreadsheet won't accept them. Another thing that p's me off is that it won't accept P Scales, it just lumps it all together as W.
As to your second question, yes, if the HT said he doesn't feel your child fulfilled their potential I would assume he was expecting level 3s across the board. And yes, it can be common for able chidren to get 3 in speaking & listening, reading, writing, maths and science.

My last post was for foreverondiet. And most parents would be pleased as the 2a and 3s are above the "expected level" for a Year 2.

Feenie, would you expect 33% 3bs in writing?

Oh, sorry that sounds like I'm saying "don't complain". Didn't mean it like that, I meant be proud of what your child has achieved before looking at how to fulfil their potential.

33% 3Bs wouldn't happen at my school, but 33% 3Cs has been achieved in many years - not this year though, some very good progress but I missed the 33%+ target set me by the LA.

Hope it's ok to gatecrash this dicussion :)

Dd1 ended Yr 2 with:
Speaking and listening 3c
Reading 3b
Writing 3b
Maths 2a
Science 3c

This year at the end of Y3 she has received:
Speaking and listening 3a
Reading 3a
Writing 3a
Maths 3c
Science 3c (no change)

I have an appt with the Head on Friday to discuss this as we are a little concerned about lack of progress. Does anyone have any tips as to what I should focus on so as not to appear too hysterical

I suggest you focus on what your child needs to do, and what you can do to help & maintain progress. As mrz has said one and a half sub-levels a year ensures a child is on track and the half sub-level will not be recorded. Also progress is not always linear (e.g. your child might make one sub-point this year and have been consolidating skills, then make three or even more next year). Unfortunately for the powers that be that like to break everything down into data, children are not machines and will not move through levels at a continuous and set speed. Try not to worry too much it may not really be an issue at all. Good luck.

33% level 3s for writing? how do you do that?

Thanks! I'm most worried about Maths really as she ended Yr 1 with a 2b, so has only moved 2 sublevels in 2 yrs. So I can't let that go another year.

Also, the literacy side is where she is strongest and she loves it, so wondering why she doesn't seem to have made the progress there. Maybe as you say she is almost at a 4c but not quite.

Would it be pushy to go and meet her new teacher a few weeks into the new term in September? Just feel unless you're on top of things as a parent, it is all to easy for things to slip and then another year is gone.

Can I jump in with a question?

Can a progress of just one sublevel be classed as 'good progress'?

My dd got all level 3's at the end of Y2.
She has acheived all level 3b's at the end of Y3 apart from in reading, which was higher.

Her teacher is really pleased with her and says she has met/exceeded her targets for the year.

This isn't a bitchy/moany question btw, I'm very pleased with my dd and her teacher had some lovely things to say about her. I'm just a little confused as to how she can have made good progress and exceeded her targets (her targets, not Y3 targets) when she's only gone up one sub-level in most subjects?

Like I said, I'm really pleased with dd so this isn't a problem - I'm just curious.

Ah just re-read the thread - does this come down to the points thingymejig?