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Any insight welcome, year 1 scores??

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MelissaCeleste · 30/06/2011 09:25

Hello, my ds has been given what look to be sats scores for maths and english, he's at the end of y1. I'm confused because I thought schools didn't do sats until y2? So how have his scores been worked out and are they indicative of his y2 scores? School hasn't said anything about these scores but I understand that the scores represent where the y1 kids are now and not if they were at the end of y2. I thought I had another year to wait until testing started - anyone else's dc had this in y1 and were their scores predictive of their y2 scores?

Any insight welcome. Tia

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LovetheHarp · 03/07/2011 17:04

Well it's only my experience, but my DS1 is August born and is now a free reader (end of reception), although he struggled a lot with writing at the beginning of the year and putting his socks on/taking his jumper and coat off!

So I guess tallies with what mrz said.

magicmummy1 · 03/07/2011 17:09

The top two readers in dd's class are June and august born. Four of the eight children on the "top table" are summer babies (June or later). Only one is autumn-born.

It's only a small sample, I know, but I'm really not convinced it makes that much difference. But I'm not a teacher, so bow to those with more experience!

mrz · 03/07/2011 17:29

I think the summer born boy label can lead to lower expectations ...

dragonmother · 03/07/2011 21:52

I imagine that if you took thousands of kids as a sample then it would start to show that on average there'd be a bit of an effect (otherwise why would some secondaries make age-related adjustments at 11+?) but the generalisations which go on are way too sweeping.

As well as being damaging to summer borns, Autumn borns (or their parents) who are in lower groups are probably made to feel bad by this sort of thing too.

waitawhile · 03/07/2011 22:08

Can I just ask a quick question from earlier in this thread pretty please? If 2b is what is "expected" by the end of year 2 what would the "average" be and is this information ever published? What would be the "average" for the other years? Thanks

youarekidding · 03/07/2011 22:22

Yes mum2b. I chatted on thread about levels with you other day. I asked my DS teacher about his 3 for science - she said he is secure. She also said he had level 3 for maths SATs (by 2 pts!) but his work doesn't always reflect this. Something to do with concentration. My DS tends to get flustered when he thinks he can't do something and so it is fairer to him when he starts juniors not to have the pressure. I agree and he's a young one and not 7 until Aug.

op its a guide in yr 1. Some children - like my DS - just find yr 1 too much, especially as he was 5 two weeks before it started whereas others had been 5 a year iyswim. In these cases they can make masses of progress in yr 2. By DS just seemed to 'get if' iyswim? He got 2B for reading/writing so got there in the end. (left YR1 a 1C!)

wait I have somewhere (will look tomorrow) the percentage of pupils in yr 2 nationally who scored level 1, 2c, 2b etc.

youarekidding · 03/07/2011 22:24

I think the summer born boy label can lead to lower expectations ...

Had this with DS teachers in yr r and 1, also as he had 0.6 on DEST they didn't give him a push.

This years BRILLIANT teacher gave him confidence and had expectations. He went from 1C-2B in literacy. Thing that pissed me off was Autumn borns with same levels got help.

waitawhile · 03/07/2011 22:43

Thank you youarekidding I found this with google. Is it similar to what you had?

www.beechwood.org.uk/cgi-bin/2/search.cgi?action=search&keywordSearchFields=num&keyword=143&categoryNum=82&template=articleLists/backpages.html

waitawhile · 03/07/2011 22:43

www.beechwood.org.uk/cgi-bin/2/search.cgi?action=search&keywordSearchFields=num&keyword=143&categoryNum=82&template=articleLists/backpages.html

youarekidding · 04/07/2011 07:01

Yes very similar but also showed below level 2B.

lovecheese · 04/07/2011 08:09

youarekidding - re your son scraping a 3 for his maths; If he only got it by 2 points and his work doesn't always reflect this, then surely he is not a 3. Not dissing your DS, just questioning his teacher. MY DD's teacher said to be a level 3 the child had to CONSISTENTLY be demonstrating the skills at that level in class to be able to sign off as a 3. Who is right in this situation. Mrz?

youarekidding · 04/07/2011 16:30

lovecheese thats what his teacher said that he can work to a level 3 inconsistently. I agree with her about him not getting level 3. When we discussed SATS in Feb she was considering giving him the level 3 paper and I said I would be happy for him to do the level 2 as he works so inconsistently. I was actually pointing out when a child being 'scored' as above expectations can be detrimental to them in juniors although looks good for infants iyswim? I wasn't having a moan was actually just hijaking the thread to talk to mum2b as had had a discussion with her a few days before.

youarekidding · 04/07/2011 16:31

He got a 2A btw. So we are all saying and agreeing with the same thing.

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