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Wakefield Girls/QEGS

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LovetheHarp · 28/06/2011 14:00

Hi,
just wondering if anyone had any experience or view on these schools and also how competitive they are in terms of entrance at 7, 8 or 9?
We are considering it for my DDs and have been round once but didn't really get a vibe either way and really could do with some opinions!
Thanks in advance!

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qegsmum · 28/06/2011 21:06

Hi, have name changed for this. My two DSs went to QEGS junior school. They didn't start at 7+ but sat the entrance exam slightly higher up the school. My DD is starting at the girls junior school in September. Again she is older than 7+ - the commute by school coach from our house being imho too arduous for a 7 year old.

We don't live in Wakefield. I've known lots of children local to where we live who have sat the junior and senior school exams at various times and have never heard of anyone failing. However the less academic children near to us tend to try for another Wakefield school instead - a mixed one, you will probably know where I mean. That said I have heard anecdotally of children not getting a place. I think for 7+ entry they used to say they would need to be forecast level 3s at the end of KS1 so I suppose child needs to be in top 25%.

I used a tutor for a term for DD, just to ensure she had had a recent refresher for every topic on the list (as she would have panicked and got upset if she saw something unfamiliar) and that was more than enough preparation - it's certainly not madly pressurized to get in.

I was absolutely delighted with the education my sons received at the boys school. It was so different from the local (beacon) school they attended before. Every teacher was extremely strong, without exception. I know from knowing a couple of people who work there that salaries are generous and I think they just don't tolerate teachers who aren't fantastic. The boys were really jaded with school when they went and really inspired by the education they received once they went. I would have no hesitation recommending the boys school at all and obviously am willing to expect the girls school will be just as good.

I could rave for ages but not really sure what you want to know so if there is anything specific please ask.

LovetheHarp · 28/06/2011 22:16

Thanks so much for your reply, I have sent you a personal message!

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qegsmum · 29/06/2011 22:40

Hi, happy to help or answer any questions but don't seem to have PM

LovetheHarp · 30/06/2011 08:27

oh ok!!! Thanks!

I just wondered really in your experience which year was the best to make a move, ideally....I am currently wondering whether to move her for beg of Y3, Y4 and Y5, they all have advantages/disadvantages! We also live miles away, so also a good way away on the bus.

I do appreciate your help! It's such a hard decision but at least it sounds like one you would recommend!

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rogersmellyonthetelly · 30/06/2011 21:00

Big thumbs up from me too. I went to the girls high and my younger sister went to the junior school from 7 then up to seniors.
They are both amazing schools, but the entrance exam is a high standard.
I enjoyed my time at school, but as with most all girl private schools there was an element of bitching and competitive makeup/accessory/clothing wars. Discipline was strict, and the workload was quite high.
Wghs and qegs are top of the independent school league tables consistently, with 97 ish percent pass at grade c and above in 5 or more gcses. Everyone in my class got 9/10 gcse and all at grade c or above, most with 7/8 grade a.
We have just been looking into both of these schools and also ackworth school, which is slightly less competitive academically but still offers excellent all round education and a much wider curriculum than the state equivalent.

LovetheHarp · 30/06/2011 21:14

Hi rogers,
thanks for your post! We've been thinking about Ackworth too, but I am worried about there being less opportunities/less focus on the academics, but you don't know until you try I guess! The Quaker schools are renowned for their fantastic ethos though!

Are you looking at the schools for 7+ or later/earlier?

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rogersmellyonthetelly · 30/06/2011 21:35

Ds will be 7 in nov and dd is 5 so very early. Thing I like about ackworth is a) we live there so easy school run ( Wakefield is a nightmare commute) and b) I prefer a mixed school until they get to 11 as it's better for their social skills.

LovetheHarp · 30/06/2011 21:38

Yes I must admit all girls/all boys environments scare me a bit as I have never been exposed to that sort of environment.....so will you then swap to WGSF at 11+ or stick to Ackworth? (Million dollar question!!!)

Ackworth is also closer for us although we are not in Ackworth iyswim - I have not been to see it yet though, it's definitely on my list!!!

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rogersmellyonthetelly · 30/06/2011 21:38

Ackworth isn't far behind in the league and I think that they get the same standard of education just that the entrance exam for the Wakefield schools is higher so they are more likely to get better results.
How old are your kids if you don't mind me asking, and roughly whereabouts are you ?

LovetheHarp · 30/06/2011 21:44

Hi,
my older two are exactly the same age as yours, but then I have 2 younger ones to consider, so obviously expense is a factor for us.
We are about 15-20 mins away from Ackworth and about 30 mins from Wakefield! So not too far from you, I guess!!!
Tough decisions.............mine are really very happy in their current school so I am loathed to move them. However our local secondary is low achieving etc so we are having to consider this move earlier than I would like to!

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rogersmellyonthetelly · 30/06/2011 21:44

I would like to think that at 11 they will both get to the Wghs and qegs but they may be really settled at ackworth and i'm sure the teaching there is sufficiently good that they will attain their full potential, whatever that may be.
I remember having a horrendous trip on the school bus every day, standing at the bus stop at 7.15 am and not getting hom until gone 5, it's a very long day for a child of 11.
I haven't been to ackworth as yet, will be going for a look round in the next few weeks, but having seen the outside, and from what I remember from going round when I was 10, it is a truly beautiful school and grounds.

LovetheHarp · 30/06/2011 21:46

Well if you would like to give me a pm when you decide to go, I might co-ordinate with you and go at the same time!
I guess they will be closing very soon as they end at the beg of July?
Let me know if you plan a visit!!!

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rogersmellyonthetelly · 30/06/2011 21:46

Funny how its a small world on mumsnet, I confess I look at women in the supermarket and wonder if they are mumsnetters Grin

rogersmellyonthetelly · 30/06/2011 21:47

Will pm you

LovetheHarp · 30/06/2011 21:47

lol me too!!!

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qegsmum · 01/07/2011 08:24

Hi again.

You asked re what year to start the girls. Obviously there is a big intake at y3 so that might be preferable as there will be lots of new people starting at once. As I said my boys started higher up the school and had absolutely no issues with settling in, however I do think boys friendships are quite different, give a group of boys a football and they will all be playing together within a few minutes. For girls there might be a benefit in being there at the start when friendship groups form. I am not worried re DD starting, but she does already have a few friends there. There is a lot more movement in and out of the school then we experienced in our local state schools so I think the new children generally integrate well in any year, but girls can be v bitchy to rach other as they get a bit older so I suppose there is a risk.

We did get advised that competition for entry to year 6 was the toughest because people try and bypass the 11+ entry. However for the girls high the junior school pupils do sit the exam so there is still a theoretical risk of not carrying on to the senior school though I think it rarely happens that a girl is in that position. The boys from the junior school don't sit the entrance exam, apart from the tp few academically who are considered for small scholarships (Think 10-20% discount). I'm not sure if there are similar scholarships for the girls high and sadly I don't think it will be relevant to DD!

I think the wakefield grammar schools are the most academic locally. There is a small but steady influx of pupils from the other local independent schools i.e. the one you have mentioned and also the one I alluded to (another mixed school, begins with S) and generally they come because their parents wanted a more academic school for them.

I am not worried re the single sex schooling. However both DH and I went to single sex schools so perhaps that affects our thinking. There is little interaction at junior school level though historically there was a mixed pre-prep (this is changing from Sept I think). At senior school level there is much more interaction - joint musical activities etc plus a lot of fraternising on the streets of Wakefield and the school buses! DSs usually meet up in mixed groups at the weekend, though it's a pain getting them into Wakefield.

There is a really lovely information morning at the start of October where you can see all the schools in the foundation. All of my children came away from those totally enthused about the schools and desperate to start. The heads of the junior schools are both fantastic and will see prospective parents at any time to talk through everything.

The entrance exam at junior level is a full day. It is tough as lots of papers but all of my three actually enjoyed the day! DD's recent report was that the level of the maths required was much easier than what we had covered with her in preparation, though we had based the prep on the list of topics from the school.

Final thought is that children do start other than in September and if you do want your child to start urgently (house move, problem at current school etc) they will arrange for them to be assessed and start pretty quickly.

qegsmum · 01/07/2011 08:24

Oh BTW they break up end of next week (8th July)

LovetheHarp · 01/07/2011 08:48

Thanks so much QEGSMUM for all the info.

I did wonder whether to start my DD earlier, ie in Y3 for the reasons you mention, ie finding it harder with the girls' friendships. Also, whilst my DS1 is one of these children who seems to learn with extreme ease, my DD1 needs a lot of structure and attention to thrive and therefore I have seen her slide a little in the last year because of the lack of those. So I am worrying now that waiting a few years might mean risking not getting her in, while I am slightly less worried for my DS1 as he requires less input.

Strange that they have different rules for girls/boys wrt entry to the senior school.... and I have also noticed that QEGS always tends to be slightly higher up the league tables - also the girls' school hasn't had an ofsted/iSC report yet, I wonder why that is? I am looking forward to seeing that!

I think I will go in october and take my DD along. It will be useful to see the school again and also see what my DD thinks. Thanks so much for all the info you have provided, I do really appreciate it!!!!

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qegsmum · 01/07/2011 09:09

Sounds like the school could really suit your DD.

They do emphasise that they are testing both current attainment and potential so hopefully she would get in at whatever age if it was the right school for her.

I was worried when DSs started that they would be miles behind. At the time QEGS Junior had three streams (that system has changed since). Both went into the top stream and thrived so I don't think having being to a local school put them at a serious disadvantage. I do have a feeling DD might be behind in non core subjects though, particularly thinking of French, which she hasn't really been taught.

Neither of the boys had any tutoring, I just did some prep with them.

The boys go to the senior school by head teacher's recommendation I think so there is still the theoretical risk that the head won't think they are suitable. However I think the schools work closely with the parents of children who might be in the position of not being able to progress in the foundation, so that they can progress if it is the right thing for them. The further up the school the children are admitted the less likely this is to arise I suppose as by y5/6 admission they should get a pretty clear indication of how the child will perform at 11 and not admit a child who wouldn't succeed.

INeedALieIn · 26/07/2013 11:44

I understand this thread is really old, but, if you are still about, I wondered what final decision you went for and given hind sight what you would recommend.

I am currently considering the schools mentioned and deliberating over when is best to join the schools.

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