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We didn't get any of our 4 reception choices in Hackney...

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ShaznaB · 26/06/2011 00:35

Hi everyone
My husband and I are tearing our hair out. We applied for 4 schools within a mile of our house and got none of them. They gave us a second list and the nearest one was 30 minutes walk away (no public transport connection) and now we don't know what to do. My husband made a film about the situation. You can see us walking 3 mins to our local school (it's a faith school and only take 5 open places a year but other people from our street (less than 3 mins walk away) have gotten in before. There are 9 schools nearer than the one they've forced us into (in the end, they've told us no other schools were available -some choice). One of the women at the Learning Trust told my husband we should keep paying for her in nursery another year. Apart from the fact she's outgrown it, it's a bit rich that everyone else gets a place for free!

It's difficult to know what to do next. I guess we'll end up homeschooling through her reception year. What has anyone else done in this position?
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Riveninside · 26/06/2011 19:33

Oh home ed is easy. Especially when you do unschooling. Grin

Northernlurker · 26/06/2011 19:41

bibbity - I suspect that is why Shazna is so upset - they did what they should but there aren't enough places. To be 57th on a list for a primary school place is just absurd.

MsInterpret · 26/06/2011 20:06

I sympathise with your case but I also think you aren't doing yourself any favours with the video. It's completely unfair and untrue to say that children with English as an additional language will 'slow down learning' and when your husband mentions that children with moderate learning difficulties need an education too, just not alongside your DD...well, even he looks embarrassed at this.

Your concerns about the school's area and the concerns about the quality of teaching and lack of resources that have been raised by people including teachers in your local community - they are valid reasons to judge a school's suitability for educating your child. The number of pupils on role with EAL or SEN is not.

bibbitybobbityhat · 26/06/2011 20:13

I am not sure that Shazna put her four closest schools. Perhaps she can clarify.

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 20:39

Honestly? I found this shocking.

The 'god bless them' when discussing SEN kids was appalling, the repeated 'concerns' that these kids and kids with English as an additional language would 'slow down' other children's learning is one of the most tedious, inaccurate stereotypes around in inner city schooling, and the dragging of a young child through the streets talking about RTAs, knives, guns and 'the learning trust want you to do this walk every day' made me go cold.

I agree that the equal preferences system is an unfair lottery and worse (there were 10,000 kids in London without an allocated school after the first round of allocations this year), but it sounds like it isn't just this that caused problems.

DP on the video says that you put down one school that you knew that you didn't have a hope of getting into, and 3 that are close to you. A single form faith school as a non-faith family is a VERY long shot (we have one down the end of our road, for example, and knew that even with 6 preferences it wasn't worth even putting it down). It was a shame that you wasted one of your choices on a school that you had no hope of getting into when you could have used in on the other local school that you would have been allocated a place in, but that was the choice you made (albeit within a very complex and fundamentally inequitable system).

This isn't the Learning Trust's fault, and it's very uncomfortable watching the guy in the video trying to pretend that it is.

MsInterpret · 26/06/2011 20:43

Also, I used to live around that area and I'm sure there is a bus (242) that goes right along Millfields Road and stops very near the school you've been allocated.

I agree, it's not perfect and would still take perhaps 20 mins, but from your video it just seems like you are blaming the journey rather heavily when actually the real reason is that you don't like the school, for reasons which I think are unfair, as I explained in my other post.

OneHelluvaBroad · 26/06/2011 20:45

I agree with Rosebud05.

I have very little sympathy for you, OP.

OneHelluvaBroad · 26/06/2011 20:47

p.s. your husband's attitudes towards children with SN are archaic, ill informed and offensive.

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 20:54

Indeed. My kids go to nursery with a lot of kids who have English as an additional language and/or SEN. I agree with Riven that my kids are lucky to have this opportunity.

admission · 26/06/2011 20:56

Given that Hackney's admission criteria is so heavily weighted towards straight line distance, did you use the application on the website to establish the 3 nearest schools to your home?
Putting in St John & St james postcode would suggest that you did not and that other schools like morningside would have been a potentially better preference.
Could I suggest that you check which are the nearest three schools to your home on this and the distance to each of these schools. If the distance exceeds the distance of the last admitted child then you have a valid case to go to the LA and say that you are being disadvantaged by the admission criteria such that it is impossible to get a place at any of the three most local schools. Ask them to reconsider the situation and admit to one of these three schools or you will be forced to go to the LGO as it is clear that the LA are failing in their duty to provide sufficient school places in local schools. Of course this is only a valid arguement if you did actually put down the three nearest schools to your home as preferences.

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 21:01

OP had 4 preferences.

One of her first posts says. "one of the women at the Learning Trust told us last week there was one school we "would have gotten into" if we applied for it. It's a few hundred feet nearer than 2 of the other schools".

A few hundred feet is LOADS in terms of London schools.

Northernlurker · 26/06/2011 21:04

Please bear in mind that this is the poster's first child approaching school. She and her husband haven't done this before, they're working on the basis of the information available to them which is describing a set up they haven't personally experienced for, I would guess around, 30 years. I certainly don't agree with their stance in every respect and watching the video last night I was quite concerned about the impact of their anxiety on their dd BUT lets not rip them to shreds for being basically concerned about the quality of education their child is going to receive.

Riveninside · 26/06/2011 21:07

Back when my lot started school 15 years ago you went to the local school. No choice.. Much easier.

ruddynorah · 26/06/2011 21:09

you need to get your dd a scooter.

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 21:12

Fair point, northern. And it is a shame that it would appear that OP didn't put the same amount of info into researching 'the system' and the realities of how it may affect them that they have into slagging it off.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 26/06/2011 21:20

Sorry, I have absolutely zero sympathy. Your DH says that he doesn't mind a culturally diverse school, but then goes on say that it will slow down the progress of others. And then refers to those with SN as 'bless them..' and saying that they need an education which I find patronising....

It's NIMBYism at its worst.

MsInterpret · 26/06/2011 21:24

Yes, ilovemydog, I'm afraid for me it sounded like the OP's kind of cultural diversity was the 'right kind' but that the school's diversity was wrong wrong wrong...

Blu · 26/06/2011 21:32

Huge sympathies that catchments are so tight and competition for favoured schools so high. V disappointing for you.

Don't give up on waiting lists, there is generally loads of movement before school starts, and places come up even within the first 2 weeks of term.

However, you don't really do yourselves many favurs in your advocacy.
Why didn't you put down your NEAREST school, or your 2 nearest schools, after your 2 preferred schools?

My DP had EAL when he started school and has a top English degree now. It is a myth that a school with EAL speakers in Reception 'holds children back' Apart from anything else, children who have more than one langiage have a better cognitive understanding of what langage is and how it function s because they make a connection that a word is a symbol for an object much quicker.

Also, schools which offer good support for children with SEN are often the best schools for everyone. Children with statements will have their own 1-2-1 support from a separate additional budget to the school, and are often in a group or unit which gives them the specialist attention they need just as gifted and talented children will be in yet another group when appropriate for 'enrichment' or whatever.

And why the Local Authority has any obligation to ensure that you don't have to go into any particular area on your way to school, I don't know.

There seems to be an issue in Hackney, of not enough places, not enough favoured schools, or good schools - but you need to advocate for more better schools with a spread which matches population density or whatever, and not make judgements which reduce your case to one of not wanting to ix with certain children or go into certain areas!

mollythetortoise · 26/06/2011 21:54

second getting a scooter for dd or a back carrier on a bicycle - we also ahve 30 min walk to school, but 20 mins on a scooter and 10 on the bike - very doable and I think has improved my children's fitness/ energy levels/ stamina over the 4 years we have been doing it - they never ever complain now (although admittedly did grumble the first term)

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 22:13

The schools that's been allocated is actually a very good school.

I'm really struggling to see the issue here, other than that OP made a bit of a mess of the application form and they have a longer walk to school than they would like.

Blu · 26/06/2011 23:05

I've come back to this because really, I feel cross.

It's interesting - and good to know - that the school allocated is a GOOD school.

You know - I never thought that my DP would once have been considered a hazard to the education of the supposedly educationally superior.

I live in Lambeth- similiar in so many ways to Hackney. My DS goes to a school which has a v high ratio of free school dinners, a v mixed demography, languages, racial and cultural diversity, etc, I live v close indeed to an epicentre of drug, knife and gun crime, and I live in housing a bit more modest that hyours. But I live here because overall the lifestyle and convenience and what I can afford suits me. It isn't the local authority's responsibility to protect me from my fellow residents!

You know, we live in urban areas. You could go and live in Pinner or a suburban area of walthamstow or something, but you have chosen Hackney. It has road junctions - that looked like a perfectly normal urban road juynction. The sterrts looked like normal inner-city victorian London terraced residential streets. Do you really think the LA should have to protect you from that?

Yes, if the schools do their jobs badly, protest and complain. yes, if the LA does not provide enough places, protest and complain. If the poice cannot control crime on yor borough...But make a fuss because you should have a place in a naicer area? Come on!

emeraldislander · 26/06/2011 23:11

To be honest I had to stop watching after the 'God Bless Them' remark. Are you for real?

bibbitybobbityhat · 26/06/2011 23:16

To be absolutely fair to op, it is a bummer that she has to walk 30 minutes to primary school when there are 9 schools closer. Can you really argue with that?

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 23:22

blu, I often think something along those lines ... if my kids were to go to school in eg France would they be thought of as 'hindering' the development of French kids because they don't speak French.

I'm sure they'd quickly learn (as do kids with a home language other than English here), but it's horrible to think that they - not to mention my dd's friend with significant SEN - would be thought of as some blight of the education of others.

I know the area where OP lives the the schools very well - their choice of schools was the problem, given that they had perfectly reasonable alternatives that they would have been offered places in. The 4th school on their list has a catchment area of about 2 inches - what a waste of a preference.

There really is nothing more to this that OP made a bit of a mess of the application form and has a longer journey to school that they hoped they would have and would like. Albeit within a complex and inherently inequitable system.

I'm stunned that anyone would want to portray themselves on Youtube as they have, let alone link to it from a well trafficked website.

Rosebud05 · 26/06/2011 23:22

bibbity, yes it is a bummer and one that could have been avoided if they'd been more realistic with the preferences on their application form.

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