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Teachers on strike - do they usually name names?

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hester · 20/06/2011 17:35

Just had a letter from dc's school, warning us of strike action at the end of the month and listing by name those teachers who will be on strike, and those who won't. They will close the classes of the striking teachers, and keep open the others.

Is this normal practice? I would have thought it would expose individual teachers to some irate parents? I also expected that they would treat it as a whole school issue, provide what cover they can, maybe suspend lessons and hav a games day in the hall. And if they couldn't do that, close the whole school?

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mrz · 20/06/2011 20:44

No strix loyalty to my colleagues and myself

thank you MigratingCoconuts - I can see the need to pay higher contributions (as the unions have agreed to do) I can see that I will have to work longer for my pension (as agreed) but I fail to see how it is fair that I pay more for longer and get much, much less when I finally do retire. Perhaps if MPs led by example we would all have greater respect for them.

Grockle · 20/06/2011 20:45

Yes - my family come above my job. I love my work and the children I teach but they will never ever be more important than my own family. The day that happens is the day I quit. A job, no matter what it is, should never be more important than your children.

mrz · 20/06/2011 20:46

Actually Strix we have had a lot of support from parents perhaps unlike you they aren't wrapped up in you and yours.

Strix · 20/06/2011 20:48

Mrz, you seem to think you are entitled to a lifetime contract. Why? No one is taking away what you have already earned. You are simply upset that the cushy ride will not continue. People across all industries generally accept their contractual arrangements could end in one to three months. Why should you be entitled to a lifetime guarantee?

mrz · 20/06/2011 20:50

Sorry but where have I said it is nothing to do with me? Of course it is something to do with me. I made a choice I will be striking although it was a very hard decision to make.

It's clear from your post your annoyance is all to with the inconvenience it will cause you...

Grockle · 20/06/2011 20:50

Cushy ride Hmm

Have you ever been a teacher, Strix?

mrz · 20/06/2011 20:53

Cushy ride Grin

chibi · 20/06/2011 20:53

If i work in the private sector, i can personally negotiate with my boss about the terms and conditions.of my employment, and if i am not satisfied, i can look for employment elsewhere doing the same job

In the public sector, i cannot personally negotiate with my employer, and any employer in this sector will offer the the same- i can't decide to try my luck with school b as i like their renumeration package better

Thus have i empowered my union to negotiate on my behalf, and as part of this process i can withdraw my labour

NOT because i hate my students, or fancy a jolly - i will be unpaid, and will be responsible for ensuring that my students do not suffer in the long run as a result of this one day of action - but because this is all i can do in terms of the negotiation process, i can't go to a different state school for better conditions

Strix · 20/06/2011 20:53

Your pension contributions are cushy. Certainly better than mine... and I don't refuse to go to work.

What really hacks me off Mrz, is your strike is inconveniencing people far less fortunate than the people striking. I think that is selfish.

mrz · 20/06/2011 20:55

That's rich coming from you Grin

Strix · 20/06/2011 20:56

Coming from me? Do you (think you) know something about me you'd like to share here?

Grockle · 20/06/2011 20:57

Heaven forbid anyone is inconvenienced.

DS was just sick all over me. That was inconvenient. I have no childcare for him tomorrow. That is inconvenient. I got bitten at work today and have a massive bruise and bleeding teethmarks on my arm. That was inconvenient. And also painful.

chibi · 20/06/2011 20:57

You may not refuse to go to work, but if you are unsatisfied you can negotiate, or seek a job with a different firm who can offer you terms you like better

we can't

Strix · 20/06/2011 20:59

Chibi, can you not go to a provate school?

pyjamababe · 20/06/2011 21:01

I agree if your union calls you to strike you must strike else leave that union. If ever you really needed your union to support you in a professional matter then you would realise how vital and necessary they truly are. I imagine few people relish striking but equally it would not be wise as a profession to render the unions effectively powerless by not supporting them, and particularly spineless to let others strike on your behalf.

I'm sure a lot of families will be affected by classes closing for the day but attacking individual teachers for that seems a pointless way to vent your frustrations...

chibi · 20/06/2011 21:04

Private schools educate something like 7% of pupils - think about what proportion of all teachers they must employ

Do you really think it feasible that we all try our luck there?

Grockle · 20/06/2011 21:05

Also, many of us believe in state education.

mrz · 20/06/2011 21:06

Strix not once have you suggested that the strike will harm children only that you will be inconvenienced so much so that you won't be contributing to the teacher's end of the year present ... rich indeed
Do you really think teachers are in the job for presents?

chibi · 20/06/2011 21:07

There is that too...

pyjamababe · 20/06/2011 21:07

And yes :o at cushy!!! And an even bigger :o :o at beggering off to private school!!! Shall we all do that? Let's see how the parents like it when all the state schools close because the staff have all left...

partystress · 20/06/2011 21:09

Strix, I am not striking as my union hasn't balloted yet. However, as a new teacher, who previously spent 30 years in the private sector, including 10 in banking, I think anyone who questions teachers' loyalty to 'their' children really needs to look a bit closer.

It was entirely my choice to switch to teaching. I love it, and I have no wish to start a 'we are so hard done by' thread. BUT, in none of the private sector jobs I had did I see people putting their hands in their (much better paid) pockets in the same way teachers do. I only had to do the post-grad year, but most new teachers have studied 3 or 4 years and start on £21k a year, with whatever debt they have amassed. That is precisely £3k pa more than I earned as a non-graduate in the private sector in 1989 - 22 years ago.

These new teachers will be buying things to cheer up their classroom, cups for their class to drink from, endless coloured pens for marking, stickers to reward children, coloured print cartridges and a laminator and laminator pouches because most schools ban or severely restrict colour printing but still expect colourful displays and exciting lesson resources. Token Christmas and Easter gifts for the class, table of the week prizes, books to boost the pathetic bookshelf in the classroom. It sure adds up.

I don't think I worked in particularly corrupt companies, but in the private sector my colleagues routinely charged for every single mile they drove. In the old days of increased mileage = reduced company car tax, people would drive from the UK to meetings in Italy, Switzerland to clock up the miles. They would insist on flying BA to get the airmiles (for their own use) even though there might be a cheaper or more convenient alternative. Far from time being money, time could be spent idling in foreign cities, or on corporate hospitality days. I didn't see much loyalty to shareholders, or to customers actually. I saw a lot of me-me-me.

I don't see that in teaching. I spent an hour's precious PPA time in the staffroom today, looking for resources to liven up end of year maths lessons, when my Year 6 class are getting restless. There were 3 of us in there, all plugging away at laptops or marking books, not having watercooler chats, just doggedly making the most of every second because there is just so much to do outside the classroom to make what happens in the classroom work. It's my first year, so of course I've worked long hours, but even working as a management consultant while simultaneously studying for an MBA, I didn't do the hours I have done this year - and yes that is factoring in the holidays.

So by all means question the efficacy or ethics of striking in general. But please do not throw the guilt-trip-what-about-the-kids thing around.

Blackduck · 20/06/2011 21:09

We all know - letter saying which classes are out - so pretty easy to work it out. Ds pissed off that his teacher is in..... I would have been fine if he had been out and would have made other arrangements for ds.(could have gone and stood on the picket line with dp....)

Petalouda · 20/06/2011 21:10

something that popped up on twitter: "Remember when teachers and nurses crashed the stock market, wiped out banks, took billions in bonuses and paid no tax? No, me neither."

I don't mind working longer, I don't mind.a career-average pension, but I can't pay my childminder if I have to pay an extra £100ish each month.

As it is, I'm on mat leave, but I'd be striking if I was there. Those aren't the conditions I was 'sold' when I joined the profession.

Petalouda · 20/06/2011 21:16

beautifully put PartyStress' thank you.

scarlet80 · 20/06/2011 21:28

Grin partystress

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