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So, what's it really like being a primary school teacher?

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muriel76 · 10/06/2011 13:54

I currently work with teenagers with special needs and really enjoy it but I do love working with younger children too.

I am thinking about applying to do a degree with a view to becoming a primary school teacher but I'm rather aware that my vision of the job comes from the hours I have spent helping in the classrooms at my sons' school! IE not very realistic at all!

I was hoping some teachers on here could share their experiences....what's the best bit of the job? The worst? Did you enjoy it as much as you thought you would? Is the paperwork as much of a nightmare as it seems to be?!

Thanks in advance for any replies.

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ovenchips · 20/09/2015 12:16

Zombie thread, innit?

toomuchicecream · 20/09/2015 12:22

Depends on what you want from work/life. Yes - the hours can be insane, often 60 hours a week minimum, but it depends on the school and your own attitude. Can you accept that something is "good enough", or are you a perfectionist? How much do you let criticism get to you, or can you take what's important and let the shit ride over you when someone has a go?

Yes, the workload is insane. The feeling of never having quite done enough, or never being quite good enough, doesn't go away. But if you have the personality to cope with that then for me, it's the best job in the world. So much variety, never boring and helping to shape young people's lives.

loisperry2 · 03/03/2018 18:58

I am have currently got an offer for the primary education with QTS course however, I am so tempted to choose the midwifery path,
I just wanted advice from teachers- do you get stressed out? is it too much work and worth the wage you receive?
& should I choose midwifery instead! thanks so much x

Norestformrz · 03/03/2018 19:31

Interestingly a friend, who was a teacher, is retraining as a midwife ...

millimat · 03/03/2018 22:15

I've no idea how much midwifery pays as a comparison, and I know that's not an easy job.
However, teaching is v v stressful esp in primary. Yes you get a lot back from it, but the demands are huge.

BringOnTheScience · 03/03/2018 22:21

This thread was started in 2011 and resurrected in 2015. And do you know what? Teachers' still have the same problems with unreasonable workloads and unrealistic expectations from SLT. Read all the other threads on here too... Sad

GentleJones · 04/03/2018 01:19

While you’re all here I do have to say a huge thank you to teachers!

I currently have a talkative (I’m so sorry) but well meaning Y6 Ds. He’s not disruptive, he just likes to add random facts to lessons. He loves his teachers (he currently has three, job share for two, topic work for one) and keeps telling me how much he’s going to miss them when he leaves this year.

Thank you all for being great!

maskingtape · 04/03/2018 02:38

Have you ever played that arcade game whack a mole?

spanieleyes · 04/03/2018 08:11

I was the first to reply to the OP and I'm still here! I'm still teaching but now as a Head. The workload isn't any better-just different! Whack a mole is right, once you have got on top of one problem another rears its head, and another and another! I still think its the best job in the world, even though I'm in the classroom much less than previously. The children are still the best thing about the job-even the difficult ones-but the paperwork is now relentless. I try to ensure the demands on teachers are as fair as possible, and I appreciate how hard things are for them. But the workload increases, the problems the children have increase in complexity, the demands of the curriculum, the expectations put upon younger and younger children seem never-ending.
I STILL wouldn't want to do anything else!

user789653241 · 04/03/2018 08:21

spanieleyes, since you are a very decent resident HT on MN, do you mind sharing what you do in daily basis/HT's job to us parents? It's quite difficult to know the roles of HT for regular parents. We don't interact with them so much, but I know change of HT means quite a lot for school to get better or not.

spanieleyes · 04/03/2018 09:27

I am a Head of School, so I have an Executive Head who runs a number of schools so my role is slightly different to stand alone Heads. But I am in charge of the day to day running of my school. So I would generally see a couple of parents in the morning who have a concern, academic or social, about their child. Then a meeting with a member of staff who has a problem with a parent! I am also the SENDCO, so will spend a couple of hours compiling reports to other professionals trying to obtain support for a specific child, perhaps a meeting with the specialist teacher or speech and language professional, some time spent monitoring something-attendance, performance, progress, filling out numerous forms for county/DfE. then cleaning the boys' toilet because the caretaker doesn't work during the day, covering playground duty because a teacher has a meeting or is on a course or lunchtime duty because a lunchtime supervisor is off ill. I'm also the safeguarding officer so I have several agency meetings each week-Team around the Child, Child in Need, looked after children with the resultant paperwork! Meeting with a child who has been sent to me because there has been a problem during a lesson, phone parents, write up a behaviour report ( in extreme cases temporary/permanent exclusion paperwork) Meet with social worker to discuss a case, home visit for a child who hasn't arrived at school and who we are unable to contact, senior leadership meetings, staff meetings, teaching assistant meetings, lots of meetings! I also teach a little tooGrin

user789653241 · 04/03/2018 10:28

Thank you, spanieleyes. It sounds like HT has so much to do everyday. I just hope knowing more about what HT's roles are prevent parents to run to the HT straight away with the issues they can easily solve by talking to their child's teacher in the first place.

MrR2200 · 04/03/2018 20:16

Payscales are all available online so you can make your own judgment. And, in terms of atmosphere, I think a lot varies from school to school so I would recommend volunteering in a few to get a sense of how you'd see yourself fitting into different settings.

As to workload, I can only speak for myself. Currently with the benefit of experience and stability in school, my workload is manageable but you're still looking 55 hours a week minimum (down from 80+ when I first started) which is about average for primary teachers as I understand it.

It's an exhausting job even at these hours though as you need to be constantly "performing" as well as doing a huge amount of work and you'll constantly have things to be doing. It's basically impossible to do everything perfectly and maintain sanity but if you're smart and organised you can eventually learn to do most things decently and still get a work-life balance. The holidays are great but you will do a good amount of work in them and you will probably spend the first week in a stupor.

Is it stressful? Yes but it depends what kind of thing affects you. There can be the social work side of things, dealing with all sorts of terrible things, which can be upsetting and difficult (and even in the leafiest of schools, you'll get these children). Then there's the accountability side of needing to get and demonstrate good "data". Expect constant scrutiny - of books, of lessons etc. - which can be pretty miserable even if you feel confident about what you're doing. And you'll never hear from the lovely parents who are helpful and kind but you can expect regular run-ins with "those" one or two. Then there's the behaviour management which with a tricky class can be really hard-going especially as you're stuck with them for the year (or more in a small school), or just the stress of trying to cover the entire curriculum (good luck!). And then there's the constant drudgery of marking, entering data, filling out health and safety checklists, etc.

You need to take care of yourself as well as it's very easy to take everything personally. It's not like a desk job, and I've had a few, where The Work is its own discrete thing. How you teach is hugely informed by your personality, relies so much on those personal relationships and is so demanding of your time and emotional energy. You need to have or develop a bit of a tough skin and resilience but it's not a set of problems to be solved at a desk or at a factory. It's easy to feel quite exposed and isolated. For the majority of your day you will only have other children to talk to - maybe a teaching assistant. You will never see the complete hash they're making of the same topic two classes down but you will feel the dread in your stomach of your beautifully-conceived relative clause with ice cubes lesson is falling apart before your eyes just as the head and parent governor walk in. It can be easy to think that Everyone Else is marvellous and it's Just You who is making a pig's ear of it because each teacher is, largely, in a self-contained bubble. If you let it get to you, it can be hugely stressful.

It's called a vocation and I think this is largely right. The difficulties are so great that you really need to love it. And there are many reasons to love it. Working with children is terrific fun and seeing them move forward can be really fulfilling. You do get, within certain stipulations, to shape your working environment and control your day and be creative. The curriculum, especially towards the end of KS2, is incredibly broad so you'll need a real breadth of knowledge which keeps you on your toes. It's a constant challenge and every year is different so it's never predictable. It's the most rewarding and joyful job I've ever had by far and although I often think about doing other things with better pay or kinder hours, other jobs just seem so dull by comparison.

millimat · 04/03/2018 21:59

Eloquently put MrR (Esp the relative clause part Grin)
I wish I could teach for the joy of teaching, but sadly not. As pp put, even the leafiest schools have those children, and moreso 'those parents'.
The additional strain on leafy schools is that generally there is significantly less funding than other schools. In my school, it means that adult support is thin on the ground, there's no chance of extra pay without a substantial increase in responsibility, and lack of funding for those children who would really benefit from 1:1 or small group intervention.

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