National Curriculum levels question

[sumum]

could anyone tell me the expected level a child should achieve by the end of year 3?

I have a meeting with school regarding ds's progress and want to be armed with all the facts.

tia

I don't think there is, officially, any expected level, sumum. However, given that the "Expected" level in yr2 is 2B, and at yr6 4B, you can assume 2 full levels progress; If you divide the 2 full levels between 4 school years that works at out at 1 1/2 sub-levels per academic year, so using that rationale a 3c? or a 3b if the child has made very good progress?

Y3's tricky. They should make 2 sub levels from Y2 - but they almost never do. (Although no one can explain / agree why) (especially if the junior school is sep from the infant school.)

So your child should have made progress from where they were last year.

That is your child's expected level.

As to 'expected level' for Y3 - there isn't such a thing exactly. But school will probably aim for 2As......... Except they are really aiming for last year's level + 2 sub levels......

Did your child make level 2s in KS1? Did they downgrade his results at the start of Y3? ( Very, very common.) ie they told you a level 2a at KS1, but Sep Y3 they have magically slipped back to a 2c - which makes them targeted for a 2a in Y3......

what is really important is how far he has progressed since year 1 and 2. So if there were 2 children both at level 3c, we might be worried about the one that got a level 3 in her SATs but really encouraged with the child that got a level 1.

He has made no noticable/quantifiable progess since last year, he was a level one at the end of y2, mostly b's iirc

I need info to help me in asking for a SA, as school are failing him, he does have sn and I have a thread about it on sn board.

so what you need is evidence that little progress has taken place. Rather than focussing on levels though it might be better to look at direct skills
so Reading: was on level x books in year 2 is now only on level x+1
Writing: could write a few words in yearl 2, but cannot yet write a sentence
Maths: can add numbers up to l0 in year, but still cannot do addition with 2 digit numbers
does this help

Aha, well you're then in the same position as me.

Good luck :)

So, you are going to apply for a SA yourself? And you just want some data for the application?

Apply on the grounds that he has made no progress. In the SEN Code of practice they define (in a very woolly way) 'adequate progress'.

So if he is currently on SA+ and has made no progress this year you are in a very strong position to apply. That is the grounds you would apply on - he has been on SA+ for a year and still has not made adequate progress. ( Get the wording from the SEN COP)

If school are claiming some progress - ie gone from a 1b to a 1a, I think it will weaken that claim........ Although it is still not 'adequate progress' ( ie he has not progressed at the same rate as his peers.)

To get a statement what you need to prove is that school are doing everything they can for him - and that isn't enough.

WitchWith - are you a teacher? the skills angle is interesting.

I've always found it very hard to get school to talk about anything sensible at all. School will never admit that a child isn't making progress, or that there is anything to worry about.

Would you ever admit that to a parent? Would your SENCO or HT?

They also frequently lie about the levels a kid like this is on as well, because they won't admit that a child isn't making progress...... They can always tell you yes, DC has gone up to the next level, because there is no way for a parent to refute this........... (Even when the parent knows they're telling porkies)

I would still concentrate on NC levels, because I would be trying to show a lack of 'adequate progress' - rather than trying to show some progress.....

I was told at my DS progress parent / teacher mtg that they were 'unable to give higher than a level 3' at the end of year 3, despite that fact my DS was given a reading age of 11.

"Unable to give higher than a level 3" at the end of year 3?? Sounds like bullshit to me!

Reading age has nothing to do with reading level. Totally different things they are measuring. Start a different thread if you want more clarification....

What IndigoBell said.

Thanks everyone, i have spoken to inclusion services today who will back my request for a SA so will be writing the letter tomorrow, I will concentrate on the lack of adequate progress.

Great news!