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DS Yr2 does not seem to be settling in school - should we move schools

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TooMuchCaffeine · 05/05/2011 10:33

I notice a similar thread on here already but did not want to hijack so.... DS is 7. He is in the top stream in all his subjects so not struggling academically. He finds it easy to make friends with both boys and girls. He is popular. However in his year group there is a core of about four or five individual boys, who are generally quite mean and nasty and aggressive sometimes, and I know this is not purely directed at DS. Their behaviour ranges from being generally rude and bad mannered, to name calling, shoving and fighting. None of these boys are friends with each other, which I think would be easier for DS to avoid them, they all have links with all the other children that DS might want to play with so it is hard for DS to form friendships with other groups of boys he might like to play with.

Other children have occassional problems with two of these boys in particular and some parents have complained. One of the boys thought it would be a nice idea to bring a pen knife into school and threaten to stab people! He does not appear to have been punished for this - all the children missed golden time that day, and the parents may or may not have been told. This boy used to be DS "friend" until recently (until I found out that DS was only friends with him because he was too scared not to be, and that the boy was controlling DS - who is normally quite independent) and we have recently made a complaint to the school about his behaviour towards DS, and his parents were spoken to also. In Reception and Yr1 one of the other boys was horrible to DS for a long time and for no apparent reason and this led to meetings between us and the Headteacher both of those years. Just recently when DS asked to play a game he was told by this boy "this game is about white dogs so only white people can play". We reported this and the boy was made to apologise to DS. He told DS in the playground that he couldn't play a game that he and other children were playing because he has been told to stay away from DS (and I have told DS to stay away from him). My view on this is why should DS be the one to go away when he has not done anything wrong? He also told DS "I am going to have to move schools because of you". When actually DS has done nothing to this boy at all - it is he that always seeks DS out all the time! SO how is that DS fault? TBH I would be glad if he left the school - he is a nasty boy who is horrible to a lot of other people, one parent is taking her son out because of him.

Anyway, the other thing is that DS is not being stretched enough academically - he finishes his work then has to help the other children, he says he is bored. I got him into Year 3 chess club, but that is always cancelled. His Year 1 teacher said he was set for the G&T register, but nothing more has been mentioned. His Reception teacher was a glamour puss who pranced around in stilittoes, shouted at the children and was dismissive and patronising to the parents. His current teacher is aloof and distant - she does not engage with the parents, makes no eye contact and is unapproachable. His current school does not seem to be a happy place, the don't celebrate anything and there does not seem to be any team spirit from either the parents, teachers or students. The more I talk to people the more problems I hear about. I am at a loss as to what to do. The school went from "outstanding" Ofsted prior to DS entry to "satisfactory" . The school round the corner is a regular school - "satisfactory" - but seems a more fun place, with a more caring attitude to primary school life. They appear to do more things with the children and there is more of a team spirit, they have in house school dinners! They have a Year 2 place available and we have a meeting on Monday with the Head Teacher. We also have a meeting on Monday with Deputy head of his current school. So should we make a fresh start and go there - or tough it out at this school. I can't honestly see things improving unless the horrible children leave and the "pool" of children with which DS can make friends with is limited. But whats the guarantee that things will be better at this school?

Sorry this is long. I am at the end of my tether. I cancelled all my clients today so that I could think this thing through.Sad

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Da1ryQueen · 05/05/2011 20:53

When I pulled DS from his school last year, the only response I got to my letter was a bill for (allegedly) unpaid school dinners! At that moment, I was reassured I had one hundred percent made the right choice...

Elibean · 05/05/2011 22:06

Well done TMC Smile

Hope you enjoy the Tate!

geraldinetheluckygoat · 05/05/2011 22:23

oh same here. We had written a letter to say he was leaving and did receive a very bland reply but nothing was actually said in person. And his teacher pointedly turned the other way when he left the classroom for the last time, and didn't so much as say goodbye let alone wish him luck. Like you all say, made me realise the right decision had been made.

TooMuchCaffeine · 06/05/2011 08:41

DS looking forward to Tate. Has had a happy week this week - and I think it is because he is anticipating leaving this school. I felt happier after DH posted letter. I just hope the meeting at new school goes OK and that I like the school - but at this point I can't see that it is worse than where he is now. He has skipped off to school with DH just now, with his drawings and his little chess set for Golden Time, chattering away happily.

He has a friend at new school who is autistic but spends some time in the main class and there may be other people from his nursery. The headteacher at new school also has two children at the school, and went to the school as a child!

Geraldinetlg, elibean, dairy and verybored - how rude of those schools not to reply, or not to say 'bye/good luck. If the meeting goes well at 9.00 at new school on Monday, we might not even bother to go to 11.00 meeting with deputy head - just blow her out and go and have a celebratory coffee somewhere Smile. TBH DH was saying that when we leave we should not bother to complain if they care so little anyway - leave them to it.

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2BoysTooLoud · 06/05/2011 09:26

Oh I don't know TooMuchCaffeine. I think a well worded complaint copied to chair of governors and LEA may give them the rocket up their arse they need. May help other parents too.
Do understand why you might want to just forget old school and not do it though...

goinggetstough · 06/05/2011 09:33

Agree with 2boys do send that well worded complaint to the Governors as it might help future families. If somebody had sent a letter previously to the school then maybe and yes it is a large maybe you would have had less of the problems you have encountered at this school.
Good luck to your DS at his new school.

TooMuchCaffeine · 09/05/2011 15:15

Well now, we have had the meetings with both schools.

I liked new school, there was a good atmosphere and seemed OK. The Headteacher was welcoming and seemed to give all the right answers. I was happy with his explanation of what they do about bad behaviour. He said my son would be stretched to his abilities as every child is, rather than staying the same.

The current school on the other hand .... well, she seemed defensive. She (deputy head) seemed to put the onus on parents for naming bad behaviour that must surely be obvious to the teachers. She was very wishy washy about their behaviour management strategies and it all seemed to revolve around form filling and waiting for change rather than tackling the situation directly. Parents of badly behaved children only seem to get involved as a result of a complaint from another parent. She doesn't even know whether my son is on G&T register! Shock She is going to get back to me about that and a few other things ....... next Tuesday!

So come on guys - the answer is staring me in the face, I should move him - and yet I hesitate still. Why?

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2BoysTooLoud · 09/05/2011 16:00

Why are you hesitating? Do you have some sort of gut feeling he should stay and work things through with the school he is in? What are ds thoughts?
'Seemed ok' seems like you were maybe expecting more from new school??
A 'good atmosphere ' is a very good thing as is the school being more local [if I remember you correctly].
What are you going to do??!!

TooMuchCaffeine · 09/05/2011 16:06

I am just worried about the move. I think we have more or less decided he will move. I think it is my own bloody mindedness that wants to tough it out with his current school and get them to do what they should do - but I realise that may never happen. It was when Headteacher of new school said we should get DS a uniform - it seemed so final. He should start after Whitsun hols.

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sittinginthesun · 09/05/2011 16:51

You're worried, because it is a big decision. Completely understandable.

I'm rubbish at change, and would hate to be in a position where I had to re-think the whole school thing, but reading your thread, it is a complete no brainer.

You should find a school approachable. You should be able to raise concerns and feel that you have been heard. The fact that the Head of the new school is welcoming would be enough for me.

My DS goes to the local state primary, mixed catchment, Good Ofsted, but the most welcoming atmosphere. Your son should be able to show off his work, talk about his trip to the Tate.

Good luck.x

TooMuchCaffeine · 09/05/2011 17:28

Thanks sittinginthesun. DS very very excited at prospect of going to new school. He knows the school because his old nursery was on its grounds. I can't help but think of the mum of one of the horrible boys in particular and how I don't want to give her the pleasure of leaving - but I guess it isn't about that. I am sure her son will f~~k up somewhere down the line and she will realise what he's really like.
DS has an advantage in that one of his friends who he plays with is there already, although in the DSP, but joins in some classes. Plus, a lot of the children from his nursery went on to that school too. DS is not the tiniest bit fazed about making new friends. Over Easter weeks ago we went to Legoland and stayed over at a hotel. We went down for dinner, DS walked straight to the childrens area where there was a Playstation - got a chair, plonked it right in between two slightly older boys who were already playing and joined in their game. Smile

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sittinginthesun · 09/05/2011 17:42

Re: the other Mum - just rise above it. She is not important. What is important is the you and your DS are relaxed and happy about going to school.

The reason i think you should move is actually nothing to do with the other parents or children, it is because the school do not sound able to manage them. Every school has it's trouble makers (children and parents!), but the Head and staff should be strong enough to handle it. My DS's school isn't perfect, but they do have a strong Head, and I know for a fact she will not tolerate any nonsense from the pupils or the parents.

Just rise above it, move on, and enjoy the change.

TooMuchCaffeine · 09/05/2011 18:09

Thanks - we will. I'm feeling more resolute about it now. Plus they do school dinners cooked from scratch on site. No more manky lunchboxes at the end of the day - yay!

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2BoysTooLoud · 09/05/2011 20:49

Hope all goes well. It sounds like your ds has made the decision!
It is good you can start before next school year so he gets to make friends and settle in before the summer holidays.

geraldinetheluckygoat · 09/05/2011 22:38

just caught up with this! Everythign you say points to moving, imo! I am wishing you and DS every happiness, I bet you will look back and see the move as the best thing you could have done, Im sure he will love it. I know how dissappointing it is having to do this, but it wil lbe so worth it when he comes out happy at the end of the day Smile

TooMuchCaffeine · 20/05/2011 14:18

Well, we've done it! All signed up for new school. DS is very excited about it. Went and collected the school uniform and bits today. And he starts after Whitsun holidays.

I had another very terse conversation with the Deputy Head where I basically told her what I think about the school! She was very defensive and that more or less confirmed it. Of course she said they would be "sorry to lose DS". Yeah, whatever Hmm - should have done more to keep him then shouldn't they.

I am very relieved and have a good feeling about this, even walking in to the new school - it just feels so much more welcoming.

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geraldinetheluckygoat · 23/05/2011 12:22

Ah thats great, well done, I am sure he will be much happier Smile

TooMuchCaffeine · 08/06/2011 13:48

I just wanted to say to all of you struggling with moving your DC's from unsuitable schools. DO IT! My DS 2nd day in new school. The environment just feels so much better than other school (a former "outstanding" school"). The teachers are happy, the children seem to like each other, and most importantly DS is happy and has already made friends.

I did not write to the old school in the end. They know what my issues were and I really do not want to waste any more time communicating with them.

Good luck to all of you struggling with a school and thanks for all your support on this thread.

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goinggetstough · 08/06/2011 14:52

Definitely don't beat yourself up about the first school. Even when things go wrong we all choose our DCs' schools with the best intentions. No one and I repeat no one selects a school where they know their child will be unhappy and picked on/bullied etc. So don't look back, look forward. You are doing the best for your DS and don't ever forget that. I hope you have a great visit to the Tate at the weekend.

goinggetstough · 08/06/2011 14:56

Duh, having a senior moment I seemed to have missed reading the second page...Glad to see he enjoying the new school.
I can understand why you don't want to write to the old school. However a letter to the Governors stays on the record and may help someone in a similiar position to you in the future. Just a thought!

2BoysTooLoud · 08/06/2011 16:49

Glad alls well. 2nd letter to governors- though I understand why you may not want to go over it all again.

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