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loosinas · 29/03/2011 12:41

still lokking for new and interesting ways to make the tricky words stick for my son... he's getting discouraged that when tested he doesn't get a new set as he struggles to remember them
has anyone tried any ideas in this book?
www.amazon.co.uk/Success-Sight-Words-Multisensory-High-Frequency/dp/157471533X/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
thanks!

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Jezabelle · 29/03/2011 18:16

No idea if it's any good loosinas, but I've just had a look and it does look good in theory! Will keep an eye on this thread.

maizieD · 29/03/2011 20:47

What age is he? Which words won't 'stick'?

Are you trying to get him to memorise them as 'wholes'?

What sort of phonics teaching is he getting (he really should be taught a small number of HFWs as 'decodable with a tricky bit'. Most of the old HFWs are completely decodable anyway.)

harvalp · 29/03/2011 20:57

I suppose it's 'sight -words' teaching that results in so many people mispronouncing words. Kilometre is a good example, so many do not understand how the word is constructed and pronounce it as they would speedometer...

Feenie · 29/03/2011 21:04

Although that's actually correct in American pronunciation.....

Jezabelle · 29/03/2011 21:23

maizieD Not the OP here, clearly, but was interested in your post. My DD (reception) has been sent 3 sets of "tricky" words home, all non-decodable with basic phonics. She can read them all on the green/orange/yellow cards but when trying to read them written on a white board or even in a sentence she rarely gets them. Are there any tips on getting her to read them as 'wholes'?

choccyp1g · 29/03/2011 21:23

Surely sight words would only be pronounced the way someone told you to pronounce it?
Whereas decodeable words are pronounced in your head the way the phonics rules "tell" you to pronounce them. So I spent many years thinking that "Her-my-o-knee" was a completely different name from "Hermy-own"

ditto penelOpe, "ar-chip-a-lejo" etc.

However, this is not a criticism of phonics, as without the rules to work words out, silent readers would have to ask someone everytime they met a word they hadn't memorised yet, although it may actually be a word they know verbally.

OliPolly · 29/03/2011 21:36

My DSs prep use sight words to teach kids how to read. It worked well for DS and is working well for DD.

At age 4, they learn the sight words and read books that have most of the words in.

By reception, they know most of the frequently used words and then start on phonics hence the learning experience is faster.

mrz · 29/03/2011 21:40

Children who are taught phonics well can read all the high frequency words in reception and so I disagree that learning words by sight is faster.

OliPolly · 29/03/2011 21:43

I wasn't comparing - just stating that at my kids school, the kids who are in pre prep/nursery at age 4 will already know the frequent words before they start reception.

Jezabelle · 29/03/2011 21:47

Mrz Do you disagree with the teaching of "tricky" words eg. the, she, to, they etc as 'whole' words? Or would you encourage this?

orangekitkat · 29/03/2011 21:52

make the words with foam/magnetic letters?
Trace them in sand?
Make silly rhymes of them?
Some of the hfw are decodeable, those that are not are 'tricky words', these are best learnt as a whole.

mrz · 29/03/2011 21:59

No I don't disagree with teaching "tricky" words but they need to be taught correctly. The "tricky" part of the word needs to be pointed out and explained along with other words which have the same "tricky" part.
Even Letters & Sounds acknowledges that some words are only "tricky" initially and become easily decodable once the child knows the alternative phoneme representation.
I would teach - he- she -me - we - be together for example and highlight the fact that "e" represents /ee/

mrz · 29/03/2011 22:02

I'm not comparing either OliPolly just stating that it may appear they are learning more quickly but probably aren't because they can only read the words they have been taught by sight whereas those children who can decode can read a much broader range of words and sentences at the same age.

Jezabelle · 29/03/2011 22:28

Thanks Mrz. That's useful. I suspect that she is being taught in this way in school as tricky words with similar trates come home together, (eg. he she we) but I am not pointing that out to her at home. I will do from now on.

Orangekitkat, thanks for the ideas.

maizieD · 29/03/2011 22:36

My DD (reception) has been sent 3 sets of "tricky" words home, all non-decodable with basic phonics. She can read them all on the green/orange/yellow cards but when trying to read them written on a white board or even in a sentence she rarely gets them.

That is so interesting! She must be using something other than the letters to identify the words by!

I think that mrz may have answered your question (this thread has suddenly moved fast!). Most 'tricky words' are mostly decodable, but have either an unusual piece of 'code' or some 'code' which children haven't yet learned. The basic approach to teaching them is to get the child to decode what is within its phonic knowledge and to teach that the 'tricky bit' is 'code' for whatever sound it represents. There are very few really bizarre (in phonetics terms) words in English (cue masha bell to tell me I am completely wrong and part of an Evil Empire to boot...) but unfortunately they are very common and useful words such as 'one', 'two' and 'eye'.

If children are familiar with the idea of letters 'spelling' sounds, they don't have too much problem with accepting these weirder 'sound spellings' (graphemes, correspondences or whatever the school calls them). What a lot of children do have is a problem with memorising words as 'wholes'..

loosinas · 30/03/2011 20:44

thanks everybody for your help.... my ons second set was things like we he she be etc but i found explaining to him it was an ee sound made him more prone to try and sound out all his tricky words :/

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PoppetUK · 30/03/2011 20:56

I've had a child that only learnt through sight for the first 2 years of full time school, mainly due to teaching methods. Although she read pretty well her writing was harder work than I felt it needed to be. After a few months of phonics it's made a big difference to her writing. I like the balance my son gets in reception. We worked on some tricky words over Christmas and he's being learning phonics at school and I'm pleased with the balance of both. Knowing enough high frequency words helps him spend some time / effort sounding things out he hasn't come across before. I was very disappointed that my DD wasn't having phonics lessons before we moved back to the UK.

mrz · 30/03/2011 21:05

He can sound out the majority of "tricky" words if he knows the tricky grapheme representation

Jezabelle · 30/03/2011 21:42

I've been thinking about this thread all day! (Sad but true I'm afraid). DD is bright with a great vocab and general knowledge. She loves stories. Because of all this I thought she'd be quick to read once starting school. In fact, letter recognition did not come easily to her. Once she did start recognising letters (she knows all 26 now) she was able to sound out and blend very effectively.

With the "tricky" words, she's getting there. But with 7 sets (about 42 I think) tricky words to learn over this year and next, I think it could be a long, hard slog using whole word recognition which is clearly not her forte! I am deffinetly going to sit her down and brake the words up for her, explaining that in "she" the initial diagraph she already knows but the e at the end represents an ee sound.

mrz · 31/03/2011 06:36

Jezabelle she doesn't honestly need to learn all those words

Once she knows that "e" represents /ee/ and knows she just remind her that he & we & me & be are the same... "can you remember what sound that letter represents in sh - ee? good well it's the same in h -ee ..."

I'm afraid it is that drip drip drip constant reminders at the early stages but I'm sure she will get there

Mashabell · 31/03/2011 10:00

Of the 100 most used English words, 61 are decodable, although with some irregular spellings: they (play), been (bean), see (sea), here (hear), first, her (heard).
A, an, can, and, as, at, back, that, had, has,
get, well, went, them, then, her, new,
in, is, it, if, big, did, him, his, this, little, with, will, first,
on, off, not, from, or, for,

go, no, so, over, old
but, just, much, must, up,
came, made, make,
been, see, here,
out, about, our,

I, like,
they,
by, my, right.

The other 39 all contain some tricky or surplus letters, with 13 especially tricky:

Said,

to, do, into, two, one, only, other, come, some, you, your, could,

the - he, she, we, me, be,

all, call,

of, down, now, look,

was, want,
when, what, where, which, who,
their, there,
are, have, before, more, were.

One way of helping children to learn to read the words which keep tripping them up is to write them in big letters with their pronunciation spelled out phonically next to them in smaller letters or a different colour and have them pinned up in their bedroom:
e.g. said [sed]
one [wun]

The phonic spellings get blanked out once the word has been truly learned.
I found this very effective with struggling readers who don?t get any reading help at home, but it should work with any child who prefers to learn independently.
I used to make a note of the words which tripped them up when I listened to them read and then gave them to learn that way at home.

The reason why children often still stumble when reading real books, even when they can read all the words in isolation, in little groups, is because in real books they come at them jumbled up: come home, go to, dish out soup...

harvalp · 31/03/2011 10:28

"Although that's actually correct in American pronunciation....."
No it's not. Only, as I said, for those ignorant of the meaning and construction of the word. Kilo, ie 1000, metre...

Feenie · 31/03/2011 17:34

I don't need you to explain the meaning for me, thanks - I teach it. It is the U.S. pronunciation, and two pronunciations have become accepted in U.K.English also - you will hear the one you dislike on the BBC now, for example.

Feenie · 31/03/2011 17:36

Perhaps you will believe the Oxford Advanced Learners dictionary - although they allow two U.S. pronunciations also.

PoppetUK · 01/04/2011 11:56

mrz: does that mean that he might know more phonics than I actually realise then? So if he learns a few flash cards will he still be using his phonics knowledge? I have noticed that he seems to have automatically worked out the magic e on say something like bike by himself. How does it work for writing. Will he only get the spelling once it's taught or would it just happen the more he reads and writes? I've wondered about introducing spellings because I know he can remember them. We did a couple of ones like me, my, the. Thanks.

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