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school want to move my dd up to yr 2

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razors · 10/02/2011 10:46

My dd is 5 - 6 in July and currently in year 1. The school have recognised she is a bright little thing and want to move her in to year 2 after half term. I'm quite happy for her to do this if she is happy to of course but my query is how does this pan out in future years? will she then have to do an extra year in year 6 and all her classmates catch up with her later on in the school or will she go to secondary school earlier? I did ask the Head but her answer wasn't clear and thought I'd ask if any of you have experienced this and how it worked out for you dc's. I'd appreciate any advice, thank you x

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muddleduck · 10/02/2011 10:50

Go back to the school and ask for clarification.
No point moving her now unless they have a clear plan for the future.

(FWIW I was moved up at this age and then had and awful time age 12 when I was made to repeat a year to get back with my age group.)

manicbmc · 10/02/2011 10:51

Is she being completely moved up or just moved for literacy/numeracy?

Pterosaur · 10/02/2011 10:53

I think you should have another talk with the head before you decide and be clear what's likely to happen in year 6.

I've no personal experience of this, but my friend's son was moved up a year at about the same age, then the school had a change of mind about moving children out of their age groups (I don't think he got any less clever, he's now 17 and has just got into Oxford) and he ended up repeating the year.

crazygracieuk · 10/02/2011 10:53

Definitely ask.

Secondary school admissions are like primary school and based on age so she can't go a year early unless you are talking about private school.

CuppaTeaJanice · 10/02/2011 10:57

If she's July born she's one of the youngest in her year anyway, and to move her up would mean that she is nearly 2 years younger than some of her classmates - that's a lot at that age.
You definitely want to avoid her having to repeat a year, that will be incredibly demotivating. Could they not give her harder work to do within the same year group?

razors · 10/02/2011 10:58

Thank you ladies. I think that is why the head was being a bit vague because at some point she will have to do another year over again, can't see how it can be done any other way really?

manicbmc Hi yes they want to move her up completely. It is a small school with only one class per year so will still see all her friends at playtime which is nice.

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numptysmummy · 10/02/2011 10:59

My ds moved up to year 2 in january this year instead of september. However,although he is in class 2 he is still recognised as a year 1. I am assuming that he will wait until his peers catch up with him and start secondary as normal - although he will be 12 by then beacuse of his birthday being in september and presumabaly he will be even more bored of the 'easy' work than he was last year Hmm.

hillyhilly · 10/02/2011 11:01

I second that they should differentiate her work but keep her amongst her peers. My dd does quite a lot of work with y2 but spends the majority of her time with her y1 peers which is where she needs to be socially.
Fwiw I knew 3 people who went to uni at 17 having been moved up and they all had a terrible time as they simply weren't mature enough.

LadyInPink · 10/02/2011 11:02

This doesn't sound clear to me either. In year 2 they have SATS around May so will she be doing those? She will be a whole year behind them in age and so she may be up to the academia side but will she be up to the social side. My DH moved up a year same time as you are suggesting your DD does and he struggled with friendships as was a June born baby and was socially behind and also ostracised for being younger and brighter so you need to fully look into it. i think if it's like what manicbmc is suggesting then perhaps fine or if a few of them are moving up at the same time. Also when he moved from his prep school at 12 (instead of 13) he had to retake the 1st year at secondary so defeated the object plus couldn't have gone to uni at 16 almost 17 (instead of 18) either so would have been in limbo for a year.

Sorry i've no clear cut answer but you need to weigh up the pro's and con's for moving up and staying put - the answer will become clearer then hopefully.

Please come back and let us know what you decided on Smile

Olessaty · 10/02/2011 11:02

I was moved up a year (by accident I think as I am a September child, I was pretty bright and I moved schools very often) and ended up having to repeat a year at the end of primary, doing workbooks by memory was not fun.

They have mentioned DS going up to Year 1 for literacy as he is on their level already, having worked through the reception work pretty quickly. I'm not sure I'd support a complete move for my own child as he has definite social issues and trouble fitting in with his own age group, never mind those a year older.

Every child is different though, I think you should direct these sorts of questions at the school as they are best equipped to deal with answering them. Be direct if they are being vague.

Bramshott · 10/02/2011 11:03

Can she do some work with the Y2 class (like literacy & numeracy) but stay in Y1? That sounds like a better solution to me.

Although I wouldn't get too hung up on "repeating a year" - it has happened the other way with several DC in my DD's school - they have stayed down and repeated Y2, and will skip a class later to catch up.

razors · 10/02/2011 11:04

Cuppa,
yes this is my worry is that she is a baby in the class already although she is very confident and tends to take things in her stride. I'm worried she may lose her confidence if she is in with the older children and she then feels a bit overwhelmed by it all. I wonder if they could do a trial term perhaps? or is that too much coming and going and disruption?

muddleduck can you tell me a bit more about your experience?

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SenoritaViva · 10/02/2011 11:05

This happened to me; I had to repeat at 12, it turned me into an incredibly lazy student and I was unhappy.

I would want to know more of the school's motivation on this - it is most unusual. Ask them what their policy is for talented students, perhaps they need to develop in their teaching methods of differing abilities and their solution is just to move your daughter up. IMHO I don't believe this would be beneficial for your daughter, instead they should be taking measures to stretch her further.

If she doesn't repeat then she will be almost 18 (of even only almost 17?) when doing her A levels (assuming the secondary school would accept that age). I think you are at a greater advantage if you are 18 almost 19. If the head is not clear, call the local secondary feeder school and ask for information on the matter.

3cutedarlings · 10/02/2011 11:07

Tbh if she was my daughter i wouldnt let them move her up, i would actually question why they needed to do this? surely they can keep her with her peers and still stretch her? would this actually mean that she will be moved into the juniors in September? (playtime in the junior yard ect).

numptysmummy · 10/02/2011 11:07

Bramshott - exactly what ds does, not sure my garbled post made it very clear! He is in a small school and still goes back to class one for lots of activities and free play - it's just the actual learning stuff he does in class 2. As i said, he is most definately a yr1 who does some lessons in with the yr2 and 3's. Fwiw,he's loving it and really doing well.

Wordsonascreen · 10/02/2011 11:09

TBH I'm not keen on moving children out of year groups...

dd did year 2 sats in reception (and then again in year one and is due to take them AGAIN at the right age.

The school didn't tell me in advance she was doing them and TBH I was very a bit annoyed as its of no use to DD.

Last year she was in a year 1/2 split group which worked brilliantly.
Back in her proper year she steps out for literacy and maths (she sits at the back of the year sixes) and has normal topic work albeit differenciated for everything else.

Socially shes still a six year old and plays sandcastles and fairies with her peers.

numptysmummy · 10/02/2011 11:11

3cutedarlings - the reason ds was physically moved to the year 2 class is although they could strech him in class/yr1 the resources used are very different andd the entire classroom setup is different. I think he just outgrew it. And he still has playtimes and lunch with his year1 friends although the school is so small they tend to all play together anyway. I think perhaps the sucess of or otherwise of this depends on the school set up.

exexpat · 10/02/2011 11:16

I was moved up a year in primary, stayed a year ahead throughout school, and it worked fine for me - much better for me academically, no social issues. My birthday is January and I was tall for my age, which may have helped.

I had to take a year off before going to Cambridge as they didn't want me to start at 17 but that was fine by me. But I was at a private school and they have a lot more flexibility, so there was no issue about being the wrong age to move up to secondary. That would be a big concern if you can't get a clear answer from the school now.

There are children at my DCs' schools (both independent) who have been moved up or down a year, but it seems very rare at state schools these days.

razors · 10/02/2011 11:17

Wow! lots of food for thought here - thank you so much x

wordsonascreen, numptysmummy and ladyinpink those are good ideas - rather than move her up just get her in to certain classes but still in year one.

3cutedarlings - a valid point. I will ask! with regards to play time it's fine - it's a small school in central london with one class per year so they all play together anyway.

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rabbitstew · 10/02/2011 11:18

Do they not do phase teaching? Our dss' school covers the same topics over Years 1 and 2, which enables children to be grouped for literacy, maths, phonics, etc in mixed Year 1 and Year 2 groups. They stay with their own class for other things. The same thing then happens between years 3 and 4 and between years 5 and 6. I'm waiting to see what happens to the brighter children when they are at the top of a phase rather than in the younger year of the phase group... Maybe this wouldn't work so well in a small school, though, where there might only be one child who ever needs to mix with the year above or the year below!

Definitely clarify what the school is hoping to happen in future years. My dh was put in a class of children a couple of years older than him and then spent two years in the top year of the school (rather enjoyed it, though, I think, as it was an academic school, so probably provided him with continuing challenges). Unfortunately, though, he was hopeless at sport, and being mixed with physically stronger and more developed children for sport did no good whatsoever for his sporting confidence. My father also had the same thing - in his day, children like this ended up being used as mini teachers and tea makers (which, likewise, I think he rather enjoyed and, on the teaching side, helped him develop new skills and understanding, but I don't think this use of a child would actually be permitted these days!). In general, I would favour a child being kept with their year group and challenged within that group if possible (the alternative is just easier for the teachers), but you have to work with the school you've got, I guess.

WimpleOfTheBallet · 10/02/2011 11:20

I agree that she might be better with her peers...I know that my DD who is in year 2 and also July born would strugge socially in a higher group.

I can't see why a small school wouldn't just give yur DD more challenging work...I see what numptysmummy says could be a factor....but with support it's no different to a child who needs extra help because they're struggling. They wouldn't move a slow to learn child DOWN a group would they?

razors · 10/02/2011 11:21

numptysmummy your ds school sounds very like my dd's

Our Head does have a very good reputation - her previous school was the best in the borough - think I'll make an appointment with her to discuss my concerns.

Thank you for sharing your experiences with me x

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LoopyLoopsPoopaScoop · 10/02/2011 11:21

I think, if this were my child, I would firstly find out about having to repeat later on, then think about what I could do instead with an extra year. If she were expected to repeat year 6, I would think about (obviously this really depends on what you're doing, and the rest of the family) home educating for a year, probably year 5 so that she is settled in year 6 before going to secondary school, and trying to do some travelling or living abroad for a year. As I said, this would entirely depend on other family commitments, but rather than boring her and putting her off education by making her repeat a year, this could really be used to enrich her life.

Just a thought.

muddleduck · 10/02/2011 11:21

happy to tell you more :)

I went to primary overseas and only started age 6. I did one term with my age group and then was moved up. It was fine whil I was little but tbh by the time I was about 9 it was starting to be a bit shit. I was socially out of my depth and tbh a bit of disorganised shambles. At the time it never occurred to me that age was the issue. Like your LO I was already quite young for my 'proper' school year so was up to 2 years younger than some of my classmates. Academically I was still fine, but I did find the social stuff hard.

Then when I was 12 we moved to the UK and I was forced back into my age-appropriate year. It was shit. I was bright anyway and had covered all the material we were learning so unsurprisingly got a reputation as an annoying know-it-all. Not good in a large comprehensive Sad.

FWIW at DS1's school they keep the bright kids in their age group but move them about flexibly for phonics/numeracy etc. So DS1 is in year 1 but does phonics in a class that is mostly year 2 but has a handful of year 1s. They have mixed classes which helps to make this flexible system work well.

TBH I worry that you LOs school is asking you to take what is the easy option for them right now without really thinking through the consequences for her.

I am not totally against moving kids out of their age group, but there has to be a long term plan.

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