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piratecat · 07/02/2011 11:44

I really don't know what to do for the best.

My dd is 8. Has always had alot of time off school since she satrted at 5 as she has always contracted every bug going. She particularly gets every cough going round and it would floor her. As a baby/toddler she had asthma, and would cough night after night, so i just think she has a weakness there iyswim.

She has had alot of emotional stress in her short life, again particularly in the last 3 years. Her father dipping in and out of her life, and his treatment of her has cuased many sleepless nights, upset, depression.
She has imo been pretty fragile mentally and physically at times. Ongoing sadness, and has had to work hard with my help to be positive and not let him ruin her life.

She has had counseling.

ok.

All thru this the school have been quite understanding. Yet i have always felt a bit of an outsider, that dd somehow was looked at as 'different' and that different doesn't fit. Yet i have always assured HT that dd will be in school when well. I have never allowed her to be home unless she is not well. My parenting is as thorough and as steadfast as i can manage. i don't allow her to get away with things.

Its a close knit country school, not a small school, but one where i used to feel there was a sense of 'family'.

Academically dd is bright, in fact she is G&T.
She lacks confidence though and gets very stressed if she can't do something.

A couple of comments from her year 3 teacher irritated me last year, that dd was 'protective' over me? That is was best not to allow dd to be seen as 'different from the others' Hmm. This was about 3 days into term when i went up to the teacher to say look dd is here with me this morning but she is ill(i had tried to jolly dd up to go to school although she looked like shit).

The teacher took one look at dd and said 'yes she looks really poorly, this wasn't the best time to have this conversation' I was like what are you angling at, i don't know what you mean.

Nothing more was said.

So at the end of year 3, dd got a hip problem. Was in hospital, was much documented on here. Had nights of agony, took weeks to diagnose, and even then no 'cure'. She was off for a term, with a problem that didn't look likely to be going away.

I kept the school informed the whole 3 months. I was distraught by the whole thing, but kept strong. The school never once contacted me to see how she was. The head never spoke to me off his own back about support for her schooling. I asked for work but never got any.

I managed to speak to head once and he had the EWO at school that day and sent her round to me.

EWO was good, said she would ring back in a week to see how we were doing.

She never did.

The summer holidays came, and during the hols dd's hip clicked back into place. She returned to school in septemeber, but caught a virus that felled alot of kids and was off for about 5 days in total over the space of 2 weeks, as it kept coming back. I'd send her in, then she's get rough again. I thought nothing of it, as i knew that others were off, that extra staff had been called in etc...

October came and i got a letter from the EWO. They saw that dd was back at school now, but that her attendance was still poor.Could i come in for a meeting.

I was pretty shocked. I had heard nothing from the head. As far as he knew dd could have been off with her hip problem, but she wasn't it was the virus. I was shocked because i had heard nothing form the school for 6 weeks and the EWO had never got back to me when dd was off in June.

The meeting was awful, the head had called the EWO in, not the other way around. 'What was i going to do about dd's attendance' over and over. I said i could do nothing if she was ill, what did he want me to do. I said he KNEW i was pro active, conscientious. I cried alot and tbh wish i hadn't but there we go. I said i would continue to do my utmost. At the end of the meeting he started mumbling 'ah yes there WERE alot of kids off during the start of term weren't there' as if 'oh yes i remember now it was not just pirate's dd' . I was like 'oh my god you can't even remember 6 weeks or so back.'

I know i am going on here but i need to vent and share. As i left the meeting he took me to one side and caringly said 'if you ever need to talk, please come and see me' NOT ON YOUR LIFE HT.
During that meeting he suggested the school social person get in touch with me, i think this person is some sort of liason/counsellor. I said 'ok' if it meant help or a way to do things properly with keeping a good relationship with the school system.

Did i ever hear anything-no.

So, back to now. dd had a good term, didn't get ill.

This term, we have both got swine flu.

Dd has been in for 2 days out of the last 11. I have let school know. Rung time and time with updates. I even got my friend to call, who waslooking after me the first two days, to ask them for school work.

Noone has got back to us. So i have sat here ill, with dd ill, very stressed in how this will affect her attendance. I have sent her in on the two days because i feel pressured in my head, because i know they can suddenly come down on you. Like they have no 'procedure'. It's been miserable and lonely.

I feel that even though we are very ill ( tho getting thru it now)all i have been worried about is school.

I have realised that every time dd is ill, now or in the future it will just look 'bad' on their records. It won't help dd's education either, i KNOW she is missing out. Yet this feeling that dd being at school is just about 'records' won't go away. I feel the school cannot cope with it's 'family' caring ethos. I hear all the time that it's understaffed. Things don't get put in letters to us. I have heard the head regrets taking the school on, and wishes he had stayed at one of the smaller local ones.
My head is spinning. I know i am all over the place with my feelings abotu how i was treated, with regards to the meeting and anyone informing me or something wrong. If dd had never been ill so many times then i guess i'd just be takingher to school and not known about the 'system'. It's the thought they can't provide her with work at home even tho they moan she is falling behind. I put this down to no communication between them. I wonder if she would do better in a smaller school. Whereby, info does get thru, both ways. I sometimes wonder if she would be better off being HE?

I know this is a not a very well worded post. but i am all over the place. I feel so guilty we have had swine flu, guilyy she is off. All i want is a quiet life, she goes to school end of. But we always seem to be in the focus becuase of her rubbish immune system.

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piratecat · 07/02/2011 11:44

ridiculously long, sorry.

just had enough of it all and needed to write it down.

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piratecat · 07/02/2011 12:18

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Hassled · 07/02/2011 12:26

I do understand how this is stressing you out and it sounds like you've had a hell of a time.

But really, it doesn't matter. They HAVE to get the EWO in after a certain % of absent from school days; this is Govt policy. It's not the school's policy. And often the EWO does a good job providing support where there are other issues affecting attendance, but when it's well-documented illness the EWO is just going through the motions. My only advice re this would be to keep hold of any doctor's notes, prescriptions, correspondence etc so you have a paper trail proving the illnesses, and then forget it. Smile and nod and co-operate and remember they're not hounding you, it's just the system.

But yes, you seem to have lost faith in the school and they haven't helped you when they could/should have - it might be time to look elsewhere. Is there a good alternative school?

Littlefish · 07/02/2011 12:32

Oh Piratecat - that all sounds very hard.

Have you been asked to provide doctor's notes when dd is ill?

What would you like the school to do?

Has your dd been for further investigations into why she is so ill every time she gets a cough/cold? Is she still asthmatic? Is it well controlled.

Other than the hip, it does sound like she's having a lot of time off school, and the school are duty bound to try and do something about this.

However, their support seems pretty poor. How proactive were you in chasing up the EWO? I know you shouldn't have to chase her/him up, but it sounds as though you are going to have to be more proactive, rather than just reporting her absence to the school - e.g. getting doctor's notes etc.

Littlefish · 07/02/2011 12:32

Sorry - cross posted with Hassled.

piratecat · 07/02/2011 13:14

all and any posts are very welcome i can tell you.

the 'smile and wave boys' Hassled attitude is one i aspire to and implement when i can.

thankyou for that Hassled, as in the great scheme of things i shouldn't worry. It's more to do with 'me' and how i feel about myself and my ability that is the biggest issue and hence my posting i think.

I am a single parent, and it IS hard to get the perspective on your own.

As for dd's general health, as Littlefish said, i have no idea why she is so prone to everything. I had her lung capacity tested at doctors last monday and it was fine. I not sure what else can be tested.

DD is rather wimpish healthwise. She is slight and sensitive too, I see that mental and emotional wellbeing can have an effect, and i think the school or rather the head has an understanding of this. Tho I have done all i can to stop this aspect affecting her, i can't control how it manifests subconciously for her. I have only been able to say to the head and the EWO that i am on her back, and do all i can.

As for the swine flu, i keep reading and have posted about it's longevity. It's knocked us out really.

I do now question the school as a whole, naturally i wonder if we would have had the same process or lack of said process if it were a smaller school.

i don't know if it would make dd feel worse if i took her out and sent her to a smaller state school, and i am talking small village school here. Where she would share a class with pupils of different ages.

I think i am getting all anarchistic here too and thinking about HE too!! It all seems like such a bloody hassle!!

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IndigoBell · 07/02/2011 13:27

Is there another school you could move her to? It sounds like you could all do with a fresh start....

Home Edding is also a perfectly valid option. It doesn't have to be permanent either...

They do have to get the EWO in at some point. But their lack of support for your DD is horrific.

I would investigate all the other schools you could get to, find out if any of them have a place, and if you like them....

Otherwise, start to research HE. Are there any local HE groups near you?

TracyK · 07/02/2011 13:31

Would you really want her to be doing school stuff though when she is really poorly?
If you do - I would write a letter to HT and say that you will be coming in to collect 'work' for dd in 24 hours - can they supply it?
Have you got a diary with all the dates etc from your opening post. As said earlier - make sure you have everything documented.
Send recorded delivery letters to school/EWO - just covering your own back.
But tbh - I'd be more inclined to spend all your energies on getting DD healthy and well. ie see a nutritionalist to see what foods/supplements etc you could give her to boost her immunity.
School can take a running jump.........and I'm sure most schools will be just as bad on the communication front. If she is G&T - she'll have no probs picking stuff up later -ease up in case you are stressing her out by you stressing out iykwim.

piratecat · 07/02/2011 13:38

thanks all again.

it's all etched in my brain from the first post, and well documented on mn if i needed to search iyswim.

my whole life is on mn Blush maybe i need to name change one day.

I think the lack of communication is the biggy. Getting the letter in Oct from the EWO, when i'd had nothing from the school that term pissed me off royally. Especially as it was the head who contacted the EWO. He knew i was astounded, at him. I think he was underfire himself because of gov, but hadn't had any contact with me, therefore he came on heavy handed to me to gloss over it.

I left the meeting thinking oh well, only another 3 yrs to endure at primary. Maybe it's becuase i never told him exactly what i thought of him. I decided to drop it as it seemed such a mess and the fact was, at the end of the day, her attendence was low and that was all they really cared about. which will be the same in any school i guess.

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IndigoBell · 07/02/2011 13:46

No! Some schools do actually care about the kids, and not just about their attendance and their league tables.

Really, all schools are not the same. We moved from one local state school to a diff one 5 mins walk away - and they are as diff as chalk and cheese.

Littlefish · 07/02/2011 14:13

I agree with Indigo. It would certainly be worth going and having a look at other schools in the area to see what support they could offer.

Also, have you considered flexi-schooling where you have a mix of home-ed and school. I'm not sure how flexible it is, or whether it needs to be on set days etc., but might be worth investigating.

piratecat · 07/02/2011 14:41

There is one other school that could be a possibility. We are not in it's area. I live in a small town with one primary. The school i have in mind is in the next village.

Maybe i AM being too sensitive? given the hard time and hard situation we have been in on a personal level. Maybe it doesn't fit with this school, ie they haven't the resources or time to focus on an individual who doesn't fit the mould. The few other mums i have told about the head's attitude were pretty shocked and felt he had let dd down. He is normally known for being approachable and kind. I hear thru the vines he has too much on his plate.

I have to get this right. If i move dd it could be totally right or a big mistake. I guess i have to think 'what are you moving her for' what do you hope to gain in the bigger scheme.

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IndigoBell · 07/02/2011 14:49

Doesn't sound like you're being too sensitive.

And it doesn't sound like it's the right school for DD.

You will never know before you move what the outcome will be. At some point you just have to be brave and make the leap....

IngridBergmann · 07/02/2011 14:59

I don't really know the answers, but just want to say I understand exactly how you feel, and how big school can seem, how powerful and disapproving - even if it's just from 'looks' and stuff they seem to think about you. Which may not be what you imagine, but you know that.

The scale of it can make you feel very vulnerable and lonely and if there is any aggro or dispute, such as them getting in the EWO, it can seem like they are all against you and you don't even know the rules or how to fight back - and you've done your absolute best, it's clear from your posts.

You are a great Mum
You have a lovely daughter

School sounds completely rubbish, but in a way it's good as you can be a bit renegade [hwink] and get away with it - that's if you want to be though, which you don't!

Lots of love and get well vibes, to both of you. Don't let the buggers bring you down xxx

piratecat · 07/02/2011 18:56

thanks ingrid that's made me smile and you were very sweet to write it.

have you had difficult dealing then? it IS so hard, all you do as a parent is feel guilt for everything without the pressure of a tick in a box ruling your headspace.

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piratecat · 07/02/2011 19:01

sorry indigo, thanks to you too.

my one and only peev is that the school she could possibly go to (if they would even consider her as it's out of area-bloody countryside) is a church of england school.

Like i went to. Prayers every day all that. I am quite a spiritual person, not big on the whole ramming it down your throat C of E thing tho. Yet, i do bring dd up to question and embrace all views, so maybe at 8/9 yrs old with only 2 yrs to go in primary she has already had a good grounding in a less secular environment.

At her current school they still touch on Christianity, but not like they did when i was at school iyswim. circa 70's/80's Grin

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piratecat · 07/02/2011 19:44

lol, yes i could.

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FreudianSlippery · 08/02/2011 10:55

School sounds awful. Obviously they do need to do the legal stuff WRT attendance but to not even give her work (when you requested it FFS! Lots of parents wouldn't bother) is abysmal IMO.

Some children unfortunately do get sick an awful lot - maybe she would be better off HEing for a while? You may even find she's unwell less often without the physical stress of it. Plenty of other options for socialising etc :)

Home ed board on MN is brilliant btw.

FreudianSlippery · 08/02/2011 10:57

"I think i am getting all anarchistic here too and thinking about HE too"

Ah I don't think so really - it's a much more popular choice now and not nearly so rebellious :)

piratecat · 08/02/2011 11:04

haha, i've always been non conformist on the quiet, don't burst my home ed anarchy bubble!

HE thread is great, i am learning alot. Which is more than can be said for dd atm. x

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missmehalia · 08/02/2011 11:13

The attitude of the school AND the so-called support workers is very, very wanting, imo.

It is difficult for you to trust them, because the 'support' they said they'd offer, they haven't.

I do see that the school are obliged to call in the EWO after a certain amount of time off. But what they could do instead is ask for something in writing from your GP (wouldn't be hard to get it) and then have the meeting between themselves to establish that there is a medical basis for the absence. There is more than one way to involve the EWO without ambushing you!!

That class teacher is a complete nonce for discussing ill health in front of your DD in any way. I'm sure DD is very keen to be there and fit in when she attends. The school could be doing so much more.

I really do feel your pain on this one. Spent quite a few years as a lone parent of DD1, and you can feel isolated anyway, even when you're both physically well!

In short, I think the school have been rubbish. Investigate change of schools or HE. With HE, check out who else in your area HEs and talk to them first. I'm sure you'd find a more supportive community within those who HE than at the school.

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