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Gifted at maths; what should DS's prep school be doing?

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Checkmate · 22/01/2011 14:09

My DC go to a nurturing, non-selective school, which gets fabulous results when the girls leave at Y6. Loads I like about it, especially for DD1 in year 4. Prep department has fully subject specialist teaching, setting etc... Boys stay just for pre-prep, which is a more homely environment.

However, DS1, an August birthday in y2, is very able, particularly with maths, and has been complaining; "I love maths, but not booooring school maths, like doubling and halving AGAIN". Last years teacher has been there a long time, has a lot of autonomy, and did the y2 curriculum with him instead of y1. Plus, his maths went from a bit ahead at just 5, to a lot ahead at just 6, we've observed.

At parents evening in Nov, new teacher (whose reputation is of being inflexible) confirmed that he's very bright, and particularly "gifted" (her word, not mine; I'm not sure if that's the case) in maths. He's in the top of 2 Sets, though these are very fluid and cover the same work. He's on a "challenge" table in that set, who get problem-solving activities based on the same topics as rest of the Set. His teacher disagreed with us, though, that even this was too easy for DS1; said he didn't always get it all right (though it looked in his books like he did), and said that he hadn't told her he is bored in maths, or "exhibited boredom through being naughty" Hmm

We decided to continue to encourage DS's maths at home, to drop it as an issue with current school, and to focus on applying to academically selective prep schools for him (rather than going to the also non-selective "brother-school" of this one as most of his friends will). He enjoyed his 7+ tests over past few weeks, and we're waiting on results.

All of a sudden 2 weeks ago, teacher called me and DS1 in to say "it is now clear that DS1 isn't being challenged by the challenge table, and needs something further, so we're moving him to top-set of year 3 for maths lessons as of next week." DS1 was thrilled about this, though DH and I felt some reservations.

Next thing to happen was; nothing. The promised move to y3 maths hasn't happened, the teacher keeps telling me its "logistics" and they now prefer option of him doing y3 work in the corner of the y2 classroom. But no decision. He comes home sullen and moody about this every day (though also happy and chatty about sports, class play they're rehearsing, other lessons etc..)

Partly, we think we owe it to DS to nag and make this thing happen, now that he's been promised it. Partly we can't be arsed, as he only has a term and a half left, and we're not sure being marked out as so different to his peers is in his best interests anyway...

...Then, I heard from a friend who works for the school that the inspector-team are in the area, and this school thinks it will be next for inspection. (Last one 2004; change of head in 2006). Apparently 3 weeks ago Head informed the staff to please "dot every i and cross every t", especially with regards to anything that parents might complain about to the inspectors.

This has really pissed me off. I think the teacher is trying to fob me off with the promise of stretching DS1, but no real intention of fulfilling it, to stop us giving bad feedback to inspectors. This is, in essence, lying to a child. Or am I unduly cynical?

I would love advice on how, in a group of 16 children, a child whose maths is between 1 and 3 school years ahead depending on the area, should ideally be catered for? (So I can push for that to happen.) Or should I just talk DS1 out of expecting much, and continue as we were?

Not sure if primary education or g&t is best place for this; will try primary education first I think.

TIA - sorry so long!

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MollieO · 23/01/2011 21:26

Ds didn't misbehave in class either. Instead he did easy work very very slowly so the teacher thought he was actually struggling. He told me he was bored and didn't want to complete the work as he'd just get more of the same to do. He would never have dared say that to the teacher so that was one of many things I had to communicate on his behalf.

MollieO · 23/01/2011 21:29

Checkmate I'd check what level your ds's year Is working at. The expectation in ds's year was that they should be working two years ahead of their age. I was quite surprised when I discovered that (only found out when I pushed and then had it confirmed when I checked what friends dcs in the local state school were doing).

stoatsrevenge · 23/01/2011 21:43

I thought you'd have to do that, check. I'm glad you've found it useful, even as a guide to progression.

Mollie -'I'd check what level your ds's year Is working at'.....
You shouldn't have to ask this. The teacher should differentiate the work to the child's abililty. As I said before, I have children in my class +/- ThHTU, doing vertical addition with carrying, etc... and those who tentatively understand place value, and can only shakily do TU+TU on a number line.
This is the top set. The top of this set are working at around 3B, and the bottom at about 2B. They are all year2.
My class is not working at a 'Y2 level' - the children are working at their own levels within Y2.

Checkmate · 24/01/2011 10:35

Hilarious chat with the teacher this morning! Told her that "a teacher friend" (sorry to be so overly-familiar stoats!) had linked me the national strategies, and that DH and I had highlighted where DS1 is at, for each strand. Told her I'd like a meeting with her and whomever else appropriate, to plan how to progress his learning from here.

She got a real look of panic in her eyes - poor girl! Started blabbing on about needing to have evidence of his level, me hihglighting it not good enough. I kept my cool, and said
"Well I'm sure, from observing him in class, you'll be able to confirm whether or not MrCheck & I are right."
She said, yes, but my observations aren't that useful either. (WTF? Hmm) We really need a formal assessment.

So I replied
"Okay, well if you arrange that for sometime this week, and then we'll have a meeting for the week after. That's as long as we're prepared to leave it, partly as his learning isn't progressing in maths, which is unsatisfactory, and partly as I'd really like to have confirmed a plan before the inspectors arrive, as I know you'll all be so busy once they're here."

Which left her speechless and I left.

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MollieO · 24/01/2011 13:55

stoats fair enough if the school does SATs etc but ime most prep schools don't. Of course teachers must differentiate work but it is still helpful to have a bench mark as a starting point.

MollieO · 24/01/2011 13:57

Checkmate what tests is the teacher planning to do? Ds's school charges for all tests so it would be worthwhile finding out in advance what you are paying for.

Checkmate · 24/01/2011 16:14

Thanks BeerTricks Grin
BTW, I've got a weird pregnancy craving for alcohol-free Beer, and your name has just made me reach for another Beck's Blue!

I don't have to pay for the tests Mollie, I haven't been told what they are though, but will ask.

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stoatsrevenge · 24/01/2011 19:01

Mollie, we assess using APP, which is an assessment guideline that details each level's objectives. That means I can see which level each child is at, and the next level s/he needs to reach.

Just for info, in Y2, SATs in state schools are used to support teacher assessments. We do them in June, by which time our assessments are pretty much written in blood and will not be affected by the child's performance in the tests. (Of course, if the levels were vastly different, w'd need to analyse why!)

I can understand why you think the results are still used for levelling the children, judging by many of the deluded comments on MN! Grin

Check - that seems like a result... so far so good. Let us know what assessment they use and how it goes from there! It'll be interesting to see if the formal assessment upholds your observations!

Good luck!

Checkmate · 24/01/2011 19:47

Thanks stoats. Will certainly update if and when there is any news.

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