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Ruth Misken books v ORT?

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5GoldenFimbos · 26/11/2010 18:03

Ds is learning to read using the Misken scheme whereas dd used the ORT. Ds has discovered an old ORT book we had and is much preferring Biff, Chip and Floppy because he finds it easier to read and of course there are not the comprehension questions like the Misken scheme.

Anyone else come across both and what do you/your child prefer?

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MrsDaffodill · 28/11/2010 20:16

We're getting Rigby Star phonics at the moment which my little one is enjoying.

Anticipate getting some Songbirds later as DS had them and my little one is in the same class (with same teacher). They were nice too.

Luckily our PTA spends lots of money on books but they are hugely expensive to replace. I think they spent £5k a few years ago and another £8k this year on reading scheme books. In between they focussed on non-reading scheme books.

The kids further up the school do enjoy Biff, Chip et al.

stoatsrevenge · 28/11/2010 20:18

''ORT books aren't comparable with RWI at all. ORT and RWI books are written for completely different purposes.''

They can be compared on content:

''He can read but prefers ORT as the are only a couple of lines whereas RWI are much longer and therefore he gets fed up, which in turn becomes a struggle, he then starts stumbling over words he already knows.''

RWI is designed to ensure reading progression through to level 2A/3, and, when you group children for RWI, you can see how children's reading levels equate to their RWI group. There is an obvious correlation.

notanewmember · 28/11/2010 20:39

I so hate the (old) ORT books for that very early stage when children have leaned the sounds/letters and are just starting to recognise/realise the existence of/read words.
Especially dc1 just guessed and afterwards memorised the ORT books. THat's when I bought some "phonics" books myself, RWI not the ones I liked best...
dc2 loved ORT books!! But she was quick in "getting it" anyway.

maizieD · 28/11/2010 21:20

stoatsrevenge:
"They can be compared on content:"

My mistake, I should have used a completely different word. Perhaps 'interchangable' would be more apt. They do not do the same job.

Are you saying that you can see no diffrence between an ORT book and a RWI book?

stoatsrevenge · 28/11/2010 22:14

Of course there's a difference!

ORT is a look and say scheme, and shouldn't be used in the teaching of reading these days.

RWI is a complete phonics scheme, with graded books, based on a progression of tricky words and phonics (among other things).

I noticed that the OP's ds was taking home ORT books with a couple of lines per page and RWI books with loads of writing on every page. That doesn't appear to be a match of content.

We follow RWI rigorously for phonics teaching and never sent the books home, as a whole unit's work (3-5 days) is focussed on one book. Children read other books (cliff Moon bands - including ORT/Rigby Star, DK selection) for home reading and we Benchmark using PM Benchmark.

Children reading a 'wordy' RWI book are not taking books with a couple of lines of text for home readers.

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