School discipline

[Claygate]

Has anyone any idea how to maintain a high standard of learning for a mixed ability and behaviour class.

If children are disruptive should they be excluded?

If their parents appear to be part of the problem how can the child be helped without other children suffering as a consequence.

Can i be controversial here....should children who disrupt school and whose parents do not support discipline or learning be transfered to a different type of school?

Sometimes i think when i see a high truancy rate i think, good at least the trouble makers wont be disrupting class...do you understand?

I think, like job reviews that childrens' behaviour should be reviewed and agreements made with parents that the children will be placed in another class where they can continue to misbehave with other like minded children without disrupting others...But i know this is not ideal.

Do we have a teachers point of view on this...does poor discipline in primary schools....largely a result of personality or upbringing present a problem for a classes learning as a whole? And what are your considered solutions.

Indigobell aggressive? Where?

I must be getting this all wrong i do apologise.

I'm the one being defensive I felt these comments were off the mark...

If you are unhappy with the behavior of students at your childrens' school - move them.

If you want to choose who your children mix with - pay to go private.

and felt they were pointless...so not aggressive, sorry.

I felt the comment about if you dont like it pay for private or leave the school were daft. All i want to know is if anyone has some strategies or recommendations but it seems they dont.

Disruptive children are managed in the class at the detriment of other pupils and thats they way it is.

Are you a parent or a teacher?????

As a parent your only real option is the one I mentioned - move your kids.

As a teacher, it is your job (with support from your senior leadership team) to manage all of the kids in your class.

Kids will require extra attention for all sorts of reasons. They may be disruptive, they me be struggling academically, they may be ahead academically, they may be going though a tough time at home... Why do you want to single out 'disruptive kids'

My DD who can't read gets loads more of the teachers time than the 'average' child.

My DS who has ASD gets loads of the TAs time.

I would far rather have kids who weren't struggling than have kids who get lots of extra help.

Excluding a child from a school for dsiruptiveness is the easy option. Working with child and family to get to the cause of the disruptiveness and resolve it is the harder option but in the long run better for that child.

Ive found a schoolsnet website that explains the strategy now so i understand a bit better.

IndigoBell i bet you worry a lot about your kids and i'm sorry they are not unburdened by these difficulties.

I'm lucky my children are not struggling and i am aware that it is a lottery how your children are. You must be glad that there is more support for them nowadays....do you ever get the cold shoulder from other parents about behaviour problems...i know it happens in my school where childrens problems are viewed as parents failings.

Exclusion is not an easy option and shouldnt be taken lightly but i wonder whether all the effort put into disruptive children couldnt be carried out elsewhere in the school so they do not disturb the flow of learning....i read in schools net that evidence of good teaching is to maintain low class noise and disturbance so that the majority of the lesson time is productive....interms of learning objectives.

I think it must take amazing teachers to keep class noise low. So i question whether persistently disruptive children should be educated in different environments.

I went to primary school with a lovely lad. But he did expose himself to other children and ended up setting the other local school alight one day. I met him years later after he had got out of borstal. He was a very nice boy though as far as i remember.

Did he benefit for inclusion with less disruptive children and did the other children have less of the teachers time while they chased after this boy for the 5th time that day.

I dont think so so what is the point of sitting him in with the class?

(Not sure why I'm persisting.... )

ClayGate - this is how the system works. The teacher is meant to manage all of the children in their class. If their is a problem with a child so that the teacher can't manage them then they go onto the SEN register (Special Educational Needs)

The school is then meant to provide extra support for them. There are three levels of support the school can provide, School Action, School Action+ or a Statement.

If a child has serious problems and required a Statement they could have anything up to a Fulltime TA assigned to them. It would then be the TAs job to support the teacher to manage the child.

For example, my sister teachers a class of 12 and has 3 TAs in there to help her...

If this fails then the child would probably end up in a special school or a pupil referral unit.

It is nothing like 'in your day'.

If disruptive children are disrupting your child's education - then there is a problem with your individual school.

Unlike 'in your day' it is not considered a good idea to write children off as disruptive and naughty and condemn them to a life of crime.

OP no it was not at the expence of the other children, the others learnt resiliance, respect, patience from having situations in their life that are a challange...

Also children who are sadly born into difficult lives and housholds the ONLY place that is safe and makes sence to them is school !!!

Gosh you're for real!

Not sure I understand why a child's disruptive behaviour is always the fault of the parents. Ds's behaviour is less than exemplary at school. Nothing to do with me but everything to do with how his interest is maintained in class.

School tried to say it was a parental discipline problem. My newly discovered pushy parenting style led to him being assessed at school and the results were off the scale. Suddenly they are making more effort to engage him in class and surprise surprise he isn't being disruptive.

mollie whas that @ the OP?

Yes. I assumed from the OP it was a journo in search of a story. The fact that they came back, added detail and were less journo like has made me think that they are real (if a bit odd in their views).

I should add an apology to you honeybee as I can see how my post looked following on from yours!

no worries :)