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How do I ask the school HOW catholic they are?

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WhyAyeButterPie · 03/10/2010 09:07

So, now we have decided to at least start DD1 off in school, we have a choice between two local primarys. One (at the end of the road-the school bus parks outside our house) is catholic, marginally better ofsted and bigger grounds. The other one is secular, up a big hill, swimming pool, Deaf unit (although ours aren't Deaf) children's centre, bit bigger and marginally worse ofsted. Also in a slightly worse off area, but not sure if that is good or bad.

In trying to choose between the two, we really need to know what is involved in being a catholic school. DH seems to think that catholic schools are automatically better, but I am really worried about some of the dodgier aspects of catholicism. We are both very supportive of the Christian tradition and keen for our children to have a good basis in the stories etc (as they will struggle with much of literature, music, etc without it) but we are atheist socialist liberal guardian reading types and so some of the scare stories about religious school are a bit, well, scary.

How do I ask them HOW catholic they are (eg the catholic school in my village lost half a day every week to praying and mass and whatever, which obviously isn't ideal for our family, and you hear all kinds of horror stories about homophobia etc) without offending them?

Otoh, I went to a secular school, and they had creationists talking to us about how evolution is apparently "scientifically impossible", so I know this kind of thing isn't confined to religious schools.

I hope that the issues that come into play with teenagers aren't an issue (the abortion films, refusing youth workers access, lack of support for gay pupils, etc- again, though, could all be scare stories) although I suppose sex ed does start in primary school...there is nothing contreversial in SRE for primary kids though, is there? In a catholic sense I mean.

Although, actually, now I remember our SRE, there were several bits that catholics wouldn't like (in fact, I think it may have been illegal at the time, as the teachers definitely told us it is ok to be gay), but again I suppose it depends how hardline they are.

We love the general ideas in christian ideology- love thy neighbour etc, and DH is very keen for the kids to learn Latin etc (but he does seem to think that is somehow part of primary school- I have no idea where he got this notion) but it is the more "out-there" bits that we are worried about.

I hope this is coming across right- basically, I don't want to end up fighting with the school, and they are, after all, blatantly a catholic school (named after a saint and with the words RC primary school on the sign) so I can't moan. BUT we would be very supportive of a bit of lightweight moral guidance, some bible stories and even a bit of praying- I am still trying to get my head round some traditions, possibly because of how the catholic kids were so "other" when we were growing up in a secular school and c of e/evangelical church (when we had phases of church, anyway)

Also, it seems daft to send our kids to the other achool if all this school does is goes to the local church on special occaisions and tells the odd bible story. If that makes sense.

Also, DH is totally for the catholic school, and doesn't believe me when I say some schools are very religious- he says it is just the anti catholic propaganda.

I did grow up being told that catholics worship idols, beat their wives, are terribly repressed, etc, which I can now see was just predjudice, but is this the same?

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HeftyNorks · 03/10/2010 09:57

My DS attends a Catholic school although I am not Catholic and neither is DS. For me the issue was that my nieces all attended the school and had a good time there. Ds is autistic so for me it was important to find a school with good pastoral care and his school was rated as outstanding in that area. I am not sure how it comes out in league tables and tbh nor do I care as long as my son is cared for and feels safe which he does.
They don't go to church more than once a term and I have no problem with the religious side of it.

Jux · 03/10/2010 09:59

I went to catholic schools. At certain times of the year (and I can't remember when - Advent? Lent?) on the stroke of 12 every day we had to stand by our desks and recite the Angelus.

Grin I knew it so well that if a guy started being 'difficult' I could (and often did) screech "Oh my goodness, is that the time? I MUST say the Angelus" and start.... Got me out of many situations. Grin

Blasphemy probably, but I did always thank Mary afterwards, and say a decade of the rosary.

amidaiwish · 03/10/2010 10:05

my DDs are in catholic primary, very oversubscribed so 100% catholic intake. very mixed ethnically - you wouldn't know what country you were in in the playground!

each classroom has a prayer corner
the playground has a beautiful area they call the "prayer garden" with a statue in (not that i have ever seen any children praying there...) just playing/sitting like everywhere else
prayers morning, before lunch end of day
assemblies 1xweek
mass on holy days (1 x month approx) in the school hall

the year where you may have a problem is Y3 - the holy communion prep is quite full on. plus all the celebrations etc.

the church's teachings are pretty much based on bible stories, love thy neighbour, think of others etc. so nothing to object to imo. DD has been taught about evolution/creationism/big bang and she is only 6, so no brainwashing there.

Clary · 03/10/2010 10:06

All schools have a School Improvement Plan, it's a biiiig Ofsted thing.

Certainly doesn't mean there are major problems or similar.

foxytocin · 03/10/2010 10:07

All state schools have school improvement plans - SIPs.

Waswondering · 03/10/2010 10:18

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MissDolittle · 03/10/2010 10:48

"Otoh, I went to a secular school, and they had creationists talking to us about how evolution is apparently "scientifically impossible", so I know this kind of thing isn't confined to religious schools."

As neither the CofE of RC churches are creationists then you won't find this in most religious schools. However 10% of the curiculum will RE, they will pray at least 3x a day, there will be little shrines in the classrooms, lots of the children will be Catholic so will see each other on Sundays and will go through First Communion together etc.

A plus point imo is that in many areas (like mine) the Catholic school is by far the most ethnically and socioeconomically mixed.

Its a myth that all RC are 100% RC and you have to go to church 3x on Sundays to get in. Ours is about 1/3 practicing Catholic, 1/3 non practicing Catholic, 1/3 non Catholic. You can just ask what your chances of getting a place are.

Catholic schools don't rountinely learn Latin or teach homophobia. Homosexuality and tollerence for is covered in PSE in YR7 at our Catholic secondary. I don't know if this is usual.

stillbobbysgirl · 03/10/2010 10:51

You won't get in anyway, so don't worry about it.

Caoimhe · 03/10/2010 10:52

It really depends on the school - around here the very best RC schools are 100% RC and the crap ones take all comers (although give preference to Catholics).

Madsometimes · 03/10/2010 15:36

My dc are at a catholic school, and I think that it would not suit you given your philosophy. Catholic schools do not tend to give way on the faith side of the curriculum, so I doubt that you would be happy. The community school up the road sounds fab though, not many schools have their own pool.

thetasigmamum · 04/10/2010 08:38

You won't get in. Sighs of relief all round.

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