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wordless "reading" books in reception

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BetsyBoop · 24/09/2010 22:02

Not sure what to do about this & don't want to hassle DD's teacher yet & come over all PFB-pushy-mum, so advice please....

DD is bringing home wordless reading books (ORT) & I'm struggling to get her enthusiastic about them. She sees them as "baby books" as they only have pictures (and TBH she we were reading books like this together 3+ years ago...)

I don't think they start teaching phonics until after half term.

She is currently at the starting-to-read stage (knows all her phonics, recognises quite a few words on sight, happy to have a go at blending & usually works out the word etc) All of this led by her asking about letter/words/sounds, I have deliberately not pushed her at all.

When we read together she really enjoys "proper" books (she took an encyclopedia of animals out of the school library for example - her free choice - and we read all 90 pages in just 2 sessions) and would happily sit reading together for hours (when I have the time...)

I know they all have to start somewhere, but I'm also conscious that I don't want to quash her enthusiasm for books & reading by forcing her to sit & "read" what she thinks are the "baby books" that school have given her for homework?

Do I go-with-the-flow for now, or should I speak to the teacher?

thanks for your words of advice :)

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AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 14:26

mrz,

I'm being dumb here, and we're clearly talking at cross purposes to some extent. Perhaps if I just said how I've seen them work, and how I've seen them not work, it might be helpful.

One teacher at my school gives students wordless books initially (in the first week). She thinks the pressure of not having a 'right' story makes it easier to detect students who are unfamiliar with books, and to gain some sense of the broader skills they have which are relevant to reading. I think there's merit in this, that it does really help to identify kids who find that exercise incredibly dull because they know that words give meaning from those who don't. It doesn't affect how she then teaches SP, but it does affect how she asks TAs, reading support staff and parents to help over the first term (which may not be by giving 'wordless' books but by asking parents to read etc.) This seems sensible to me, tailoring an approach to some learners in their one-on-one time.

The vast majority of what I do with the vast majority of students at reception focuses on 'decoding', on reading books which have pictures, but where my aim is to get them to see, using phonics, how graphemes combine to form words. These students are not 'bizarre', they get meaning through the normal processes of decoding. As far as I teach 'comprehension' it is merely to assess if they have understood, and to use the fact that as an unpaid member of staff I have time to reinforce messages about reading being useful-to have a brief chat (insofar as you can with a 4 year old) about their pets if they've read a book on pets, for example. They will probably never see a wordless book again. I'm not advocating their general use for all readers for an extended period of time.

But, even in reception, there are some students where all three teachers 'revert' to wordless books for some of the time. Some of these students have particular difficulties in even understanding what a book is, and removing the pressure of getting it 'right' for a short time seems to help. Others, towards the end of reception year, seem to present anomalies in, for instance, being able to sound and form words but it all falling to pieces in a book, or having developed skills in story telling and understanding but not showing these at all in response to books, with corresponding demotivation. Some SN kids were simply so tired by the end of the day that, once in a while, it is felt that the effort of 'decoding' would be too much and that work on other reading skills would be a good use of time (this happens less now, the scheduling's better). For all these kids, despite my initial shock and worry, moving to reading just one or two 'wordless' books (the longest ever with one child was four weeks-during which time he continued to take part in class phonics activities) really seemed to have helped. And in some cases I'm asked to use them simply to see if resistance to reading is about the difficulty of decoding or something else. I think they have a real role to play there, I have in essence been 'converted' to their use, and think they are more effective then the mixed messages which would be involved in using a book with words but not demanding decoding.

What I fear in discussing their 'use' in reception, in advocating ditching them because they're expensive, is that you end up with a system tailored for 'normal' learners-for those who don't have any difficulties, and up either not resourcing or stigmatising as 'less good' pupils who have specific needs and who really do seem to be helped, both diagnostically and in developing accuracy, by these books, and failing to recognise that all readers also have those needs. I really do think they have a role to play, they may seem daft to 'normal' learners like the OP's daughter, but they're really, really not-they can do certain things very well (better than a quality story book)>.

mrz · 17/10/2010 14:37

Since you seem to be missing/ignoring it I will repost

AdelaofBlois Sun 17-Oct-10 12:00:40 The question posed by the OP, as I saw it, was about whether books like this were 'needed' in a school at all.

I think if you look at the title of the thread you may realise how you saw it was in fact mistaken

wordless "reading" books in reception

mrz · 17/10/2010 14:40

AdelaofBlois Sun 17-Oct-10 14:26:43 The vast majority of what I do with the vast majority of students at reception focuses on 'decoding', on reading books which have pictures, but where my aim is to get them to see, using phonics, how graphemes combine to form words.

I assume you are a parent helper?

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 14:51

mrz

Everything I said in the last post was about practice in reception year, instances where I have seen these books help in developing reading accuracy.

I'm a volunteer (my eldest is only 3). I did a PGCE in the mid 90s, then went on to research / teach at university level, ending up in Oxford. When I volunteered I felt hopelessly underskilled, and so went on a 'refresher' course, using my local university's education department to go through the PGCE and M.Ed modules in KS1 literacy (sometime working in Higher Ed makes access to these things very easy). I also shadowed a SP practioner's literacy hours for a year.

What I write is clearly affected by that CV-in terms of what I think reading might be and the academic value I attach to 'comprehension'. And, and I'll admit this, it is not about how to teach a class, but how to work with individual learners. But it is well meant, and informed by reflection on my own and others' practice in a school context, backed up by a fair degree of reading on the theory.

mrz · 17/10/2010 14:56

Third time lucky perhaps

Since you seem to be missing/ignoring it I will repost

AdelaofBlois Sun 17-Oct-10 12:00:40 The question posed by the OP, as I saw it, was about whether books like this were 'needed' in a school at all.

I think if you look at the title of the thread you may realise how you saw it was in fact mistaken

wordless "reading" books in reception

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 14:59

Perhaps reception in terms 2/3 (except for the initial assessment, but reception nevertheless.

mrz · 17/10/2010 15:01

I've just seen your previous post and can I ask what a "SP practitioner" is?

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 15:03

Someone who teaches using synthetic phonics (which wasn't well covered by my original PGCE, which is why I felt a little lost and felt shadowing would help me help more)

mrz · 17/10/2010 15:17

So you mean a teacher?

Surely all schools should be using SP (Rose Report into Reading) and I'm quite surprised at "literacy hour"...

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 15:24

She was a teacher who was passionately committed to SP (I write PGCE references a lot, I really don't trust that I will get a real sense of how it should work from a random 'teacher', I wanted someone who had developed best practice).

And, yes, 'literacy hour' because I have an job and two young kids-it was an hour every morning when we both knew she would be teaching reading or related skills. OK, not a literacy hour in the old sense, but that's how I thought of it.

Is there a point to this? I really don't see how what I am saying is necessarily supported or denied by my background? Seems to me to give some knowledge, and all I've shared are reflections and concerns based on what I've observed and read. I could have just gone I'm a trained primary teacher and work with reception students and across KS1-which would be equally honest.

mrz · 17/10/2010 15:28

Sorry if you misunderstood my comment about aliteracy hour was not in regard to your involvement in school but the concept of teaching a literacy hour which is uncommon in lots of schools now and has never been considered appropriate in reception so I was surprised the school still works this way

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 15:45

I feel really pressured here. I've been rather honest about my experiences (in ways which might make me identifiable to parents and staff at least), and feel a little scared by the hostility.

I'm really not seeking to 'pontificate' (if I write like that it's because I've now been trained to). I am really committed to KS1 literacy (indeed, may make the voluntary work proper and take the hugely mad step of seeking to teach SEN kids and giving up an Oxford post to do so). I think SP is the best systemic method I've seen or read about.

But I've also seen intelligent teachers use 'wordless' books in certain contexts, including in reception, very effectively. And I am concerned about the number of students who are developing as proficient readers yet, like Indigo's son, seem to view the whole thing as a technical exercise; and those for whom gaining 'meaning' doesn't seem to come as naturally or as unaided as for others. I have the luxury to be worried about this because I'm working with individuals. I really don't know-and can't find anything that addresses the issue (because it would have had to have anticipated Rose) how far the messages given by SP contribute and how much this is just the nature of young kids. But I think it is worth acknowledging that these are problems young readers face, and asking if they might be related to an overwhelming stress, often particularly at home, on sounding, and whether or not there is a place for other activities which send different messages (esp. in reception, which is for many kids critical in stressing what school and reading is 'about'). As I say, I don't know, and would genuinely value what you say.

mrz · 17/10/2010 15:47

AdelaofBlois don't feel you have to try to justify yourself to me it really isn't necessary or expected sorry if have made you feel the need.

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 15:51

Apologies, I am (well should be) in the middle of writing form job applications for KS1 teaching posts. I'm probably more highly sensitive than usual to feeling that my experiences and background mark me out as exceptional in a wholly bad way.

On the other hand, I do find the discussion helpful, I'm just not sure what it is about any more, what the points of disagreement (if any) are. Could you please help a panicked correspondant?

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 15:53

I'm assuming you're where I'd like to be, teaching at KS1?

mrz · 17/10/2010 16:27

I'm currently teaching Y2 again after many years teaching reception. I am also the literacy coordinator and SENCO.
Personally I would only use wordless books for children with children who have significant language delay.
We use SP to teach children to decode words but also teach comprehension right from the start. This is supported by lots of speaking and listening to develop language/understanding and we follow the principle of "5 a day" for stories. We actively avoid using picture books all the time as many children are so tuned into "the visual" they forget to listen to words.

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 16:39

That sounds very like my school (especially the five-a-day and not always using picture books). The difference is clearly the selective use of 'wordless' books at some stages.

How do you handle the readers I mention, those who really do seem to have particular trouble with extracting meaning, in that this is way out of step with either other reading or other language skills? Do they just get better? I can think of one Yr2 student I teach who really doesn't seem to be-she sight reads well, tells stories constantly, but cannot (or will not, which is just as worrying in terms of what she thinks she's doing) tell me, her class teacher or her parents what a book was about, even seconds after finishing it.

mrz · 17/10/2010 17:07

Lots of whole class discussion of what we read as a class so that no child needs to have all the answers. Talking about a page or two rather than the whole book in 1-1 sessions and building up the understanding in steps.
Lots of developing vocabulary - discussing the meaning of words in what we read.
We use Big Talk with children from nursery and find this impacts on reading comprehension.
I currently have a child waiting to see the EP who's language difficulties are preventing understanding but these have been identified by SaLT so we work on a programme to help him sequence short sections of text.
We also use Rapid books which we find very useful as they have questions on most pages about what has been read.

AdelaofBlois · 17/10/2010 17:32

Am heartened by this-the 1-1 bits are what I've been doing (and why I was so confused when others on this thread seemed to feel such questions unhelpful). Maybe I'm not harming as much or as out-of-step as much as I suddenly panicked I was.

I'll just keep doing what I'm told with the wordless books-clearly teachers thinking in the round and (as I've said) they do seem to have had an impact with some pupils. Wonder whether the concern from those at my school isn't (unnecessarily) about language more generally-many of our pupils have very limited English vocabularies and limited exposure to books at home.

mrz · 17/10/2010 17:34

I should say I don't use wordless books for comprehension at all but good luck

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