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daddymum · 24/09/2010 15:28

A friend of mine has recently split with her partner and moved to a new area.
She has a 10 month girl and a four year old boy who will be starting school in January.
She has tried to get her son into the local school but has been told there are no spaces so she appealed on the grounds that the next nearest school (for which her son was accepted) is over a mile away and it would be impractical for her to get her son to school and back every day on her own with a young baby. My friend cannot drive and is unable to work at the moment due to her parenting commitments so cannot afford public transport.
Does anyone know whether the admission panels decision can be overturned and if so, what does she need to do to try to secure a more suitable place for her son?

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cory · 24/09/2010 15:37

Unlikely to make any difference, I am afraid: "Over a mile" doesn't actually sound very far at all; unless it is well over 2 miles, it would be considered a normal walking distance for a non-disabled young child and a pram-pushing adult.

clam · 24/09/2010 15:40

There's a cap on infant class size of 30 and they will not, cannot, go over that number (except in extreme circumstances.
The LEA would not allow logistical, childcare and transportation issues as reasons to admit.

cory · 24/09/2010 15:51

In a case where the transport situation was really serious (many miles distance) the LEA might provide transport (school bus or taxi). But they would not exceed the limits of an already full school.

Do you not think your friend is being a little overdramatic about this anyway? If her little girl is 10 months now, she will be 14 months in January, so hardly a young baby. She will no doubt enjoy the ride in her buggy every morning and the ds will benefit from getting some exercise before school.

panelmember · 24/09/2010 16:07

When you say 'admissions panel' do you mean an appeal panel, or just the admissions team at the LEA (who will have been the ones who made the decision, unless this is a foundation school)?

What is the Published Admissions Number for the school? If it is a multiple of 30, the LEA will be bound by the infant class size rules, which limit any class to 30 pupils. As your friend was a late applicant (not through any fault of hers, I know) the class was no doubt full by the time she applied. Her child cannot be admitted as the 31st pupil.

Your friend can appeal, in the hope of overturning the decision. But as others have said, the difficulty of walking to school with a toddler in tow isn't grounds for appeal. She would have to demonstrate that the refusal of a place was so unreasonable that the panel should overturn the decision and award a place. That is extremely unlikely to happen - especially if this is an infant class size appeal - but she may be lucky and find a sympathetic panel which is willing to stick its neck out.

Your friend needs to investigate other options. The choice adviser (or similar title) at the LEA should be able to provide information about any other schools with places. Through local toddler groups, can she find another parent to share the school journey with?

Where is she on the waiting list? Waiting lists are held in the same order as the admissions criteria, so if she lives very near the school she may be near the top of the list.

panelmember · 24/09/2010 16:13

So sorry. Misread the first post.

The appeal panel's decision (which sounds like the right one, sorry) can be overturned only if your friend can show that the panel did not follow proper procedure or mis-directed itself. Not liking the panel's decision is not grounds for a further appeal. Unless your friend can show that the panel did something wrong, she needs to pursue the other options that have been suggested here.

Parents are allowed one appeal per year. Whether that is per academic year or calendar year I'm not sure. She could check that point with the LEA.

The Advisory Centre for Education may be able to advise your friend - their website is easy to find.

ruddynorah · 24/09/2010 16:15

14 months isn't a young baby. And 1 mile isn't far. Have you suggested trying the walk with her? Presumably she's used to a fair bit if walking if she doesn't drive.

prh47bridge · 24/09/2010 16:25

Agree completely with Panelmember. If this was an infant class size case your friend would only have got in if she had been able to show that a mistake had been made. Even if it wasn't infant class size, transport difficulties do not normally provide a basis for a successful appeal.

For what it is worth, it is one appeal per academic year - paragraph 4.1 of the Admission Appeals Code.

panelmember · 24/09/2010 16:28

Thanks, Prh47bridge!

mollymax · 24/09/2010 16:32

We live over two miles from our school, and manage to walk it. The children love to use their scooters!
It is not as far as it seems.

daddymum · 24/09/2010 17:23

Thank you all for your valuable advice. Although she appealed against the decision on grounds of the distance being impractical, her disappointment was more due to the fact that her son would be unable to attend the same school as his friends, whom they moved to the area to be closer to.
Thought I'd best add that before she reads this and feels i've made her out to be lazy.
Don't suppose it makes any difference to her case though, if the school are bound by law to adhere to their class limits (30).
Thanks again.

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cory · 24/09/2010 17:32

Well, her disappointment is understandable, but unfortunately the rules are really strict.

What she can do though is to put her son on the waiting list for the school he'd prefer. Children do leave and move away. It might be worth it.

daddymum · 24/09/2010 17:49

Cheers for that cory, I'll suggest that to her.

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