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Oxford Reading Tree books. Are they are good? Please recommend books for a 5-year-old.

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Octavia09 · 19/09/2010 14:04

My DS is almost 5. He cannot read yet but he is interested in spellings. He likes the following books:
Shark in the park
Peppa Pig
Farmyard stories
Monkey See Monkey do
Ladybird Big City Garage and other similar stories from the Ladybird.
He is interested in Mio Mao (you know cats) but we could not find any books just DVDs.

Now I want to get him something from the Book People. I have noticed that they sell Oxford Reading Tree collection of stories www.thebookpeople.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/qs_product_tbp?storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=100&productId=184091

The reviews for these books are excellent but the reviews could be written by anyone; you know what I mean.

I would like to buy books because of the younger DS. I know that many people will advise to go to the library.

Many thanks!

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mrz · 19/09/2010 15:00

Buy nice story books and avoid ORT! Let your son choose or pick ones by his favourite authors.

Octavia09 · 19/09/2010 16:11

Are these stories rubbish?

Mrz, as a teacher, would you recommend Phonics workbooks? I have read some threads on MN where parents read phonics at home. So, I wonder whether my DS needs it or shall I leave it?

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pinayangel0912 · 19/09/2010 16:19

what if a child is readiung ort books in school, obvioulsy we cant avoid... ace only just turned 4, august 20, and started reception sept 7... i dont have an idea what reading scheme he will be on...

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mrz · 19/09/2010 16:38

No Octavia09 I would recommend story books for home not reading scheme books.

bullethead · 19/09/2010 19:31

It's the fashion to look down on ORT, yet, despite Biff and Chip being the butt of many a joke, the scheme was used successfully for several years in our school, and was broadly suitable for most of the children. They enjoyed it, and the consistency of growth of vocabulary and repetition meant that they would move to the next book secure in the knowledge that they wouldn't be faced with several new words that they weren't familiar with. The children really enjoyed moving on in the scheme as well. Some children didn't really 'get on' with it, and so would be put on a different scheme more suited to them. Common sense dictated that they would follow whatever scheme they were on, working steadily through the books, while at the same time having a range of non-scheme story books to take home in their bags too.

My point is that there is nothing wrong with ORT. Neither is there much wrong with reading schemes per se - provided it is used consistently alongside good teaching. The difficulties that have arisen in our school and left many parents wondering what on earth is going on and children floundering is that colour-banding is now fashionable, where different reading schemes are banded together according to levels of difficulty. This means that children have any old book in the colour, rather than progressing consistently the way individual schemes were designed to do.

The 'theory' behind colour banding is to broaden the children's experience of vocabulary, but in my view it has damaged the confidence of many beginner reader and slowed down their progress.

Of course, children do need to look at a wide range of books, but this should be done ALONGSIDE the scheme, which is really a tool, and a very good one if used properly.

IMO you don't need to buy your own reading scheme but just find books for you and your child to share. Leave it to the school to do the scheme.

turnitup · 19/09/2010 19:33

I quite like the M & S early reading books.

taffetacat · 19/09/2010 19:39

My DS at the same age really liked The Cat in the Hat.

I found that as he began to read, some of the toddler type books that I used to read to him were the right level of words for him to read. He rediscovered his love of some of them, and read some to his younger sister. I then read more "grown up" books to him.

cath476 · 19/09/2010 19:45

We've got the ORT Read at Home series and my ds2 (4.9) loves them. We only brought them out last week (they have been languishing on a shelf since ds1 grew out of them). He has been 'reading' the stories to us and getting to know the characters, he also enjoys the games on the back page and the fact that each book has something you have to spot on each page (eg. one had a tiny ladybird hidden on each page, another had a bird etc.)
We haven't used them as a reading scheme but he has really taken to them. He also enjoys many other types of books though and we'll only continue with them at home as long he is enjoying them.

MrsSaxon · 19/09/2010 19:50

I bought these and my DD loves them, really cannot understand why they are so disliked by some.

The read at home ones are different to the scheme ones and the games on the back are great.

lovingmy2 · 19/09/2010 19:55

I'd avoid ORT and equivalent scheme books. Too many really good books out there.

My DS (5+3mths) loves gruffalo, and all Julia Donaldson books. Still loves going on a bear hunt, dear zoo and hungry caterpillar. I am currently reading Beast Quest series 1 book 1 to him and he absolutely loves it. He also likes the horrid henry books.

OmicronPersei8 · 19/09/2010 20:02

Go to the library and pick out some nice children's picture books together. ORT books are used in school to help structure the learning of reading. Schools though, also value picture books. They use big books, which are just larger versions of lovely picture books.

Picture books are great for learning about different types of stories and characters, and for talking about together in a way that is much more limited in ORT books. Reading picture books together (ie you reading them to him) is a great way to build his knowledge of these things, which will help him later in school when they have learnt to write and are doing fun things like writing their own stories, or exploring the character.

The writing might be too 'hard' for him to read but you will both get great pleasure from sharing the books and the things he learns from them will be useful later.

Great picture book authors include Martin Waddell, David Mackee, Anthony Brown, Eric Carle, Julia Donaldson, Jill Murphy, Janet and Alan Ahlberg.

There are so many, my list is probably a little dated (these authors are still great, there are just new ones around now too!)

OmicronPersei8 · 19/09/2010 20:10

A well-written picture book would teach your son a lot about language structure, it would have a richer vocabulary, a more developed story structure etc.

paisleyleaf · 19/09/2010 21:57

Bullethead, that's interesting what you say about the colour banding. That's the way it seems to be done at my DD's school. I can see what you're saying and it makes sense. But I guess logistically for a school it's easier for the children to pick any book from the 'right' basket - otherwise mightn't there be a queue for the exact right book?

bullethead · 19/09/2010 22:19

Our school had several copies of each, and if one wasn't available, each level had 'back up' books which consolidated the vocabulary already used. It worked fine; both parents and children understood the system and enjoyed sharing their progress. It is not wrong to want to get on to the next book and feel a sense of achievenment - in fact it worked as an incentive to learn.Queueing for books was never an issue and nor were competitive parents. The amount of parents who actually behave in an openly competitive way does not change just because you follow a set reading scheme. There will always be that kind of thing at tthe gate, usually they arein a minority, and generally avoided or steered away from the topic of what book their child's on by parents who just aren't interested in sharing that kind of information.

pointydog · 19/09/2010 22:24

Don't buy ORT books if that's what your child will get at school. Buy proper books, ones you think you will both enjoy.

jaffacakeaddict · 19/09/2010 22:26

I'd avoid the ORT tree books that are used in school at present. Your child will be familiar with them when they are introduced in class and there is a danger that your child will be bored. There is a reading at home series produced by ORT that you may want to consider. Personally, I find them quite dull and would rather read other books such as Room on the Broom, Cat in the Hat etc.

bullethead · 19/09/2010 22:32

Yes the Dr Seuss books have rhymes and repetition and a very well-spaced, easy to read typeface. Imaginative, fun, GREAT illustrations...

'I would not eat green eggs and ham
I DO NOT like them, Sam-I-am!!!'

shivster1980 · 19/09/2010 22:33

We have piles of books in our house. DS has had three stories a night since he was 2. We have a library card and regularly go to choose books but we never feel remotely guilty about buying DS story books. Picture books are so lovely.

We are great fans of Julia Donaldson in this house - have nearly all of them.

DS also loves pants related ones! Aliens love underpants etc etc.

We still read, Guess How Much I Love You, and Bear Hunt etc.

ORT is school books to my DS (just started reception). Fine but for school work, rather than just for fun.

Octavia09 · 20/09/2010 10:49

Thanks everyone for your replies. I have not had chance to open one of the ORT books. I wanted to buy a collection of books for my DS so he could have a big choice of stories for his bed time. One question, would these books help him to increase his vocabulary? I understand that the books repeat many words which is not that bad if the story is interesting. I will go to the local library and check what they have.

Thanks for the ideas! I really appreacite your help. Will check the authors and the books in the evening.

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Octavia09 · 20/09/2010 16:30

DS has been given today his first ORT book. It was very simple like for babies. I would not buy it.
he likes picture books especially from the Igloo publishing which you can buy at TK Maxx.

I have found these books on Amazon which look nice so I might buy them:
Night Monkey, Day Monkey - Julia Donaldson;
Dear Zoo (Picture Puffin) - Rod Campbell;

The Owl Who Was Afraid of the Dark - Jill Tomlinson;
The Best of Dr. Seuss: The Cat in the Hat, The Cat in the Hat Comes Back, Dr. Seuss's ABC: Includes: The Cat in the Hat / The Cat in the Hat Comes Back / Dr. Seuss' ABC - Dr. Seuss;

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DilysPrice · 20/09/2010 16:36

Usborne Phonics Readers collection (Frog On a Log etc) is a lot of fun - 12.99 for a pack of 12 from Redhouse books.

TotalChaos · 20/09/2010 16:41

Dear Zoo is too easy, it's for younger children. The other ones you have suggested are all very nice. Also if you are near a Waterstones they have a buy one get one free offer on a nice selection of picture books, including lots by Julia Donaldson.

If your DS is keen on Nick Sharratt's illustrations (he wrote the Shark in the Park), there are other nice picture books with his illustrations, including various versions of fairy tales by Stephen Tucker and Nick Sharratt, including Cinderella, 3 little pigs etc.

Commotion in the Ocean and Rumble in the Jungle by Giles Andrea are also nice for use of language, as they are books of rhymes on animal themes (not quite poetry).

Oliver Jeffers' picture books are also very nice.

SweetnessAndShite · 20/09/2010 16:42

Oxford University Press who do ORT also publish ORT Songbirds phonics books which are EXCELLENT and written by Julia Donaldson. My DS had them through reception.

StewieGriffinsMom · 20/09/2010 16:45

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