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12 year old has no initiative or motivation- so frustrating

17 replies

Purplekittenfurball · 03/04/2025 19:02

Hi,
my 12 year old is in year 8 ( she’s young in the year) and acts completely helpless.

every school day she has to be woken up, at least twice. she has an alarm. She goes to bed at a reasonable time with no phone or tv.

she has to reminded (in her eyes nagged) to brush her teeth and hair, to eat and drink something before school, put on socks, collect her packed lunch ( which is made for her) put her homework in her bag ( which we have to remind her to do and have to supervise her doing) and leave on time.

She complains she has to cycle to school - but she only has to do this twice a week. it’s less than 2 miles on a cycle path. The rest of the time she has lifts.

she does nothing productive unless she is constantly reminded and encouraged.

she does no chores and does nothing around the house. I ask her to keep her room tidy- but this never lasts more than a day. I asked her the other day to change her bed sheets as she’d bled on them- she said “yeah yeah” like it was a big ask. I offered to help her, she said “no, I’ll do it”. She still hasn’t done it. I asked her to do it as she doesn’t like people going in her room.

Basic daily tasks require direct instructions each time- and then it is a battle- for example, lock the back gate after you leave, put your bike back in the shed so it doesn’t get rusty/ stolen, take any un eaten food out of your bag, take mugs downstairs, etc. she just won’t. When asked repeatedly there’s eye rolling, stomping and attitude.

she was keen to go to guides. I signed her up. Have taken her every week. The other week I had flu and took a nap. She knew about guides and it’s only 100 m down the road.she didn’t bother to go.

am I being unreasonable to expect that a 12 year old in year 8 should be able to manage some tasks independently?

I have experimented with just letting her get on with stuff and not constantly reminding her- but then she doesn’t shower and starts to smell, she doesn’t do home work and gets detention, she doesn’t eat breakfast, she doesn’t get up until it’s to late to get to school on time.

I am not willing to let her be unhygienic and unhealthy or have her school work suffer so I continue with the reminding and cajoling.

we’ve had calm chats where I discuss my basic expectations. We discuss the consequences of not doing basic tasks- e.g. if you don’t do your home work and take it in you will get detentions. If you don’t take uneaten food out of your bag it will rot and smell. Etc. she’s a bright girl and understands- but won’t do it unprompted.

I got so frustrated with her today as I told her we are leaving in ten minutes. After ten minutes had passed she was still sitting in her room, bag not packed, hair not brushed, socks not on. I asked her why no socks? Said “haven’t got any” I said I told her last night to lay out her clothes. We could have sorted her socks then. Asked why didn’t she lay out her clothes “don’t know”.

she’s my oldest and I just don’t know what to do. Is this normal for a 12 year old?

She’s neurotypical. She enjoys school- so I don’t think it’s a school avoidance tactic.

Should I just let her face consequences? What if she still just doesn’t care?
What should I do? I don’t think my expectations are outrageous- but maybe they are?

Do you have to monitor and check every task for a 12 yo? My 10 year old manages so much better- but obviously I never say this to her/ anyone or compare them…but I’ve noticed.

i work full time in a school (not hers). Her dad works full time too. I have two other kids (younger), run a small business, have a elderly widowed mother I try to support as much as possible and I’m drowning here.

what should I do?

sorry this was long.

OP posts:
Lovelyview · 03/04/2025 19:41

You are not being unreasonable at all. I'd certainly let her face the consequences of not doing her homework. You want her to go to school on time and be clean so maybe keep on reminding her about this. I don't think it's unusual to remind kids to do things but definitely make it clear that certain things are on her to organise. My daughter started unloading the dishwasher for us after scouts set a challenge - could you have a word with guides and see if they could do some kind of helping challenge. I do think you have to work with your child as they are rather than wishing they were different. She might just be hanging on to being a kid rather than embracing growing up.

LadyQuackBeth · 03/04/2025 20:18

You mention all the things she doesn't do, but what is she doing?

If she's on her phone, then that is the root of it, if she's napping or tired then consider medical, if she's staring into space, something else.

LoudHouseLaLa · 03/04/2025 20:27

This sounds so similar to my 13 year old (he’s got ADHD) He has to be reminded about basically everything or he won’t do it. I tried for a while to let him manage his own homework/remember his P.E kit or whatever he needed for school and he ended up with detentions and behaviour points. Now I’m trying to have a balance, not doing everything for him but supporting him to become more organised. We have a new routine where after food he checks his timetable for the following day and sorts his bag out.

He will though not brush his teeth/wash in the morning unless I remind him and even then he doesn’t do it! Aaagh!

LoudHouseLaLa · 03/04/2025 20:29

i do however make DS do chores - he has to! He’s actually pretty good and will do most things, DH doesn’t know how I manage to make him do chores lol. His room however is a tip!

SomewhereinSuberbia · 03/04/2025 20:30

Sounds like you have too much to do, 4 kids, both parents working full time, caring for a granny and running a business.
To me she sounds ok, nothing too bad just a bit pasive aggressively pushing the rules a bit? Getting your attention?

boxset · 03/04/2025 20:50

Sounds ND!

LoudHouseLaLa · 03/04/2025 20:52

boxset · 03/04/2025 20:50

Sounds ND!

Yes! Definitely sounds like she has ADHD

FamingolosForDays · 03/04/2025 20:54

Are you absolutely sure she is neurotypical?

For context I have one NT child and one ND child and she sounds exactly like my ND child.
This seems more than normal teen laziness to me.
I also agree with PP RE phone use

Miloarmadillo2 · 03/04/2025 20:55

Sounds like my son - inattentive ADHD not diagnosed until he was 13. Time blindness and having to be told to do every little step of every single task.

fiorentina · 03/04/2025 21:00

Can you write down/have online the standard list of things for her to do, so it’s clear and no arguments.
Has she ever taken responsibility,
eg regressed as she’s got older/more
teen? My DC was good at juniors and teen years has been harder in some respects. Although they remember homework and are organised in that sense are rubbish at room tidying/clothes putting away/jobs they’re expected to do.

LoudHouseLaLa · 03/04/2025 21:11

Have a look at the app Joon - it is designed for kids like your daughter and it has a list of tasks that they tick off on their phone to earn rewards etc.

Things that help my son -

Set a timer on a phone - 5 minutes with an alarm that goes off at the end (dopamine reward) in this time she does one small task. Also be very specific, direct and positive in your language. Definitely encourage chores and support her in her daily tasks without taking over.

Purplekittenfurball · 03/04/2025 22:44

Thanks for replies!

I say she is neurotypical as I’ve never had any comment from a medical professional/ teacher/ educator/ group leader etc to suggest otherwise. No one’s come to me with a suggestion is isn’t- from people who repeatedly spend time with her in real life…..so I assume she is not. Even if she was- how would I even go about getting her diagnosed? Aren’t the waiting lists years and years?! Do they agree to do diagnosistic screenings just based on a parents say so?

I will definitely look in to the joon app.

I have a white board I can write the list of tasks on to complete.

She does have a phone- but we restrict the times on it so she can’t access it before school, during school, bedtime. There’s restrictions on what she can access and we check it frequently.

She often just sits playing with a cat/ drawing doodles/ reading her book/ daydreaming etc like she has all the time in the world. Flicking through a photo album. Playing jacks. Watching a squirrel etc. very zen.

she is very creative. Very flexible and determined at her gymnastics training and ballet. Very accurate in her baking hobby. Very nurturing with her beloved pet cats. Very funny with her best friends. Very innovative in her model making. Very loyal. Super inquisitive. A great kid….but when it’s something that she needs to do- rather than chooses to do she just opts out.

OP posts:
Miloarmadillo2 · 03/04/2025 22:54

Slightly resenting the implication that ND children are not creative, nurturing, funny, loyal etc….
My son really didn’t raise flags at school until we pressed the issue - bright enough to be getting by and not hyperactive so not super disruptive - and we had nagged and cajoled and scaffolded enough that he didn’t fall too far behind. It wasn’t until we got the SENCO to get all of his 10+ teachers to do an ADHD questionnaire that they realised actually he was struggling. It’s worth doing one of the online screening tools to see if it’s worth pursuing.
Medication is helping, and maybe I’m more resigned to having to help with scaffolding everything since diagnosis.

Purplekittenfurball · 03/04/2025 23:01

Sorry @Miloarmadillo2 i wasn’t suggesting she couldn’t be nd because if these traits
one of the other posters asked what was she doing and what she is like? I was trying to give a balanced view of what she does and is like.
I realised I sounded so negative about her and wanted to show I do value her and who she slid whilst still be hugely frustrated by her.
I wasn’t using it as a list of reasons why was he wasn’t nd.

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StJulian2023 · 03/04/2025 23:06

Another one adding that she sounds just like my eldest who has Inattentive ADHD. So motivated if it’s HIS idea - if it isn’t, forget it!

User37482 · 03/04/2025 23:21

I think she should be left to face consequences tbh. Push it back on her. I say this as someone who had my own troubles, it only got better when I had to take ownership and learn to work around my own issues and make adjustments myself.

I suspect my DD could probably get an ADHD diagnosis for hyperactivity (runs on my family, adhd, autism and a host of issues like schizophrenia, bi-polar etc etc) , she’s ahead at least a year or two at school (hard to pin down, she’s doing work from different year groups in different subjects) , is funny, creative, clever etc etc. however even if she is I wouldn’t be willing to medicate her unless I really had to so she’s going to just have to learn how to manage, we help by making sure she has lots of opportunities for exercise, eats well and so on. I think there are probably a lot of people who skim the edges of a diagnosis and with the right input can learn how to manage their lives. I’m not willing to make her dependent on other people to direct her. I know that sounds brutal but we have ND and mental health issues in my family and a diagnosis has never been particularly helpful. Those who had to crack on seem to be happier and more productive. One person in my family was very effective and organised until they got their diagnosis which seemed to give them a pass for everything and their ability to manage their life nosedived afterwards (no they didn’t have burnout). I am very wary of giving my DD a diagnosis precisely because I’ve seen the results. The only time it’s been useful is in cases of extreme issues that required medication.

I would say OP if your child is bright they may be ND but a)she’s a girl so less likely to be diagnosed b) the good performance at school often provides cover for deeper issues so school never notice (I see this in my own daughter). It may be something you want to discuss with a psychologist just to get it checked out.

I know my post won’t be popular but as I said I’ve seen it up close and personal. Do everything else before you resort to a diagnosis. If your Dd requires more intensive intervention then you should do your best to obtain that for her. I think people instinctively lean into their diagnosis to explain away behaviours, ultimately it can help understanding and clarity but equally it can be debilitating. I know it was tempting for me to do that but I was highly motivated to correct my behaviour.

Return2thebasic · 03/04/2025 23:28

She does sound ND with ADHD (inattentive). It's very common for girls to miss being diagnosed (including myself). Daydreaming is a hallmark, so is being unusually forgetful.

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