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How to deal with some difficult behaviour from DS(11)

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Thiskidcanbounce · 23/03/2022 13:23

Long time lurker, NC’d for this. Sorry it’s a long one

DS(11) is wonderful, funny, kind and sensitive, has a good network of friends, has made a great start to secondary school, is achieving well and no issues with his behaviour outside of the home.

We love him so very much, however we’re having a hard time parenting him at the moment now he’s hitting the pre-teen stage.

He’s always displayed a lot of repetitive behaviours at home. He makes lots of loud/silly noises or just repeats himself over & over again. He often interrupts, talks at us rather than to us, and rarely checks he has our attention first before he blurts it all out. He has a tendency to obsess over certain things he is interested in, and will talk really fast and animatedly about his interests but quickly loses interest if you talk to him about something else. So DS often gets told off for being rude when he does any of this stuff (generally multiple times a day).

He still jumps and dives around the house like a 5 year old would - on & off the furniture, and is constantly banging into things & hurting himself because he doesn’t pay attention. He can’t sit still (unless he is gaming). He is on the floor, off the floor, on the sofa, standing on his head, upright, upside down again, climbing up the door frames. We are constantly telling him to slow down, stop jumping on the furniture, go outside on the trampoline, makes not a blind bit of difference. He is constantly covered in bruises.

If we play a family board game he cannot sit still while he waits his turn, he will roll around or stand on his head or fiddle with something. He has to surround himself with stuff and fiddle/mess about with it at all times. He gets told off for getting distracted or messing about when it’s his turn. He said to me yesterday he finds it really hard to pay attention (though amazingly he manages fine at school).

He is an extremely picky eater and basically lives off chicken nuggets, pasta, tomato ketchup, Yorkshire puddings, pizza, bread & cereal plus of course crisps & biscuits. Beige junk food. He will not entertain trying new foods so there are often arguments about that. He also eats his food off his fork like a lollipop rather than cutting it. DH hates this and so constantly reminds him throughout dinner to use his cutlery properly because if we let him eat in that way he is not learning appropriate table manners for outside the home.

DS is really disorganised/scatty and is always losing or forgetting stuff when packing his school bag in the morning. He will take his bag upstairs to put a book in it, then bring it back down then go back up to put his socks on, he doesn’t seem to realise to do all the upstairs jobs in one go to save him having to go up & down repeatedly. DH gets frustrated as cannot understand his logic & says it’s like DS has no common sense.

DS gets really angry and upset if asked to do something he doesn’t want to do e.g. tidy his room and will start slamming doors or throwing his things around. Consequences for violent outbursts is usually loss of screen time plus he will still have to do the chore.

If he struggles with a piece of homework, rather than asking for help he will get really angry throw his school books or stationery across the room, say he’s useless, headbutt the floor, drag his hands down his face or smack himself in the head and cry. He generally has this response if he gets upset about anything and always defaults to hurting himself or saying horrible things about himself. It’s heartbreaking to watch because he is not useless, he is wonderful, but he won’t listen to any amount of reassurance and just gets more and more worked up.

DH in particular, is finding this extremely frustrating to live with at the moment. He has a tendency to constantly correct DS/tell him off or criticise him for many of these things. Don’t get me wrong I do tell DS off too but more often than not, it is DH. We feel like we’ve been saying the same things for YEARS and it never makes a blind bit of difference.

DS has confided in me he finds this upsetting so I said to DH the constant criticism is not good for DS as it could adversely affect his self esteem and I also worry it will damage DH’s relationship with DS (he’s always been the favourite parent) but DH’s argument is how else do we correct him or parent him without telling him when he has done something wrong?

DS is now becoming extremely rude in how he speaks to us, and there are lots of arguments happening on a daily basis. This came to a head yesterday when DS shouted at DH that all he hears is negative things about himself, never anything positive Sad.

That made me want to cry - it’s horrible to think that he would feel like that & I’ve barely slept worrying how we can get things on track.

Anyway here’s our problem - we can’t agree how to parent this. I prefer ‘ignore the undesirable behaviour and just focus punishment on the more serious stuff) but DH thinks this is me just turning a blind eye to it all and how will his behaviour improve if we ignore these things as he will just keep on doing them. Obviously we need to show a united front which we’re not doing at the moment. I often find myself jumping to DS’ defence and I know it’s not good for me to not back up DH but how do I do that when we disagree. So how do we move on from here? Are there any other approaches we could take?

Finally, so as not to drip feed, yes we have considered possible sensory/ASD/ADHD in the past - was dismissed by school as he has no issues there. GP won’t do anything unless school see a problem. So for now he is undiagnosed and likely to remain that way.

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Thiskidcanbounce · 23/03/2022 13:35

Just read this back, it all sounds so horrible and negative Sad. It’s so unpleasant in our house right now. And I’m so worried we have handled things with DS all wrong.

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PennyFleck · 23/03/2022 13:43

Go back to school and give the senco a copy of this post - it's really clear. Or email the senco, copy in the class teacher and include this post.
Lots of children act differently at home than elsewhere, there's even a word for it (masking).
Begin with school and say you have concerns about transition (if he's Y6 and moving up).
Be kind yet persistent.
Good luck.

PennyFleck · 23/03/2022 13:44

If you are put on a 'graduated response' or some kind of assessment 'pathway' you will be offered some training.
Top tip - send your DH.

SkiRun0077 · 23/03/2022 13:46

It sounds a hell of alot like our DD similar age currently being assessed for ASD. Have read of PDAsociety information it may help you re think parenting and having a low demand environment at home. Good luck it’s not easy but using some of the PDA approach has helped us. It’s tricky as we have an elder child who isn’t like this at all which makes parenting the older teen tricky!

TooMuchPaper · 23/03/2022 13:49

Has dyspraxia been dismissed?

TheFormidableMrsC · 23/03/2022 13:51

He sounds just like my 11 yo ASD/ADHD DS. I'd speak to the Senco at school and tell them everything you've put here.

Branleuse · 23/03/2022 13:52

Have you ever suspected a neurodiversity? Maybe autism spectrum or adhd. Whats he like at school and with his peers

TheFormidableMrsC · 23/03/2022 13:53

Also, it's a bit remiss of the school to dismiss your concerns because they don't see anything there. Look up "masking". My son is an expert at this as are many spectrum disordered children and he may be doing that.

Thiskidcanbounce · 23/03/2022 14:51

Thanks so much for your replies, I really appreciate you taking the time to read through all of that.

He’s in Y7, started a new school this year. It was his primary school we approached with our concerns, but after monitoring him for the best part of a school year, said they didn’t see anything of concern at school. So that was that.

He really struggled through Covid & his last 2 years of primary, yet he’s adapted to secondary amazingly well - far, far better than we ever thought he would. I’ve considered approaching his new school but have been worried to do so after our experience at primary because, again, his issues are not at school. Maybe we need to brave it and go and speak to them.

Don’t get me wrong, his behaviour isn’t difficult all the time - he can be very well behaved lots of the time too. Most of what he does isn’t even what I’d call naughty - it can just be rather trying when we have to say the same things over and over again. And now it’s upsetting DS that we are constantly on at him too.

I don’t think his age & approaching puberty helps - was just reading another thread about 11 year olds being argumentative/stroppy/answering back/rude/entitled so perhaps a lot of our current issues are related to that but it’s just more complicated by being intertwined with all this other stuff too.

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Thiskidcanbounce · 23/03/2022 15:15

@TooMuchPaper I’ve just read up on dyspraxia, not convinced it fits but then I’m not a doctor so perhaps it’s worth considering. DS met all of his developmental milestones on time as an infant & toddler, only thing I could say fits is the constant movement.

One other thing I forgot to put in my OP is that DS talks to himself a lot too. Sometimes under his breath but most often out loud. He narrates his way through everything he does, but maybe that comes from watching too much YouTube!

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SkiRun0077 · 23/03/2022 15:42

Do your own research then speak to the school you really do have to advocate for these kids. I was dismissed by the primary school over the last 3yrs until her mask started to slip in year5, and fallen off a few times in Yr6, but school mostly nod smile and tell me it’s probably anxiety. Yet she ticks every box for high functioning ASD…sigh… this site has some easy access resources that may help your understanding www.pdasociety.org.uk/

ChiselandBits · 02/05/2022 12:34

He sounds v v similar to my DS. No diagnosis but every teacher he's ever had thinks he's ASD. It's exhausting and challenging to parent because you can't just let stuff go.. They have to know how to behave in public. My ex is v strict with him and sounds like your DH. They don't really do well together. I'm sorry I don't have much advice but just wanted to let you know you're not alone.

Blahtastic · 02/05/2022 15:52

Some of the issues you mention sound like my DS (13,) recently diagnosed with a learning difficulty relating to working memory, but if falls within the same group as dyslexia, dyscalculia etc. What subjects does he struggle at with homework, could that help identify a problem with learning? The stress from the learning difficulty then impacts on their behaviour, and the learning difficulties do sometimes go hand in hand with adhd, anxiety, ASC etc. Parenting is difficult as you do need to try to work together but I find a lower demand approach helps (I suspected PDA and modified my behaviour and demands to minimise requests and also lower expectations, it has helped immensely), my DS's dad (my XH) would totally disagree (he's barely involved at all now as he just can't grasp DS's needs). It seems counter-intuitive but sometimes the harder you push with rules and requests, the worse the behaviour gets. I'd say to keep on at school, involve SENCO and really keep on at them. Unfortunately left it too late and regret that now.

Didiplanthis · 26/05/2022 08:39

Sounds exactly like my ASD/ADHD 10 year old. Please re visit this. I have late diagnosed ADHD, and likely ASD. I have huge issues with self esteem and never feeling good enough from being treated by my dad like your DH is treating DS, and from school just giving me shit for not achieving what they thought I could and being messy and disorganised. When I saw my childhood playing out in my son I knew I had to help him not get damaged like I was.

Thiskidcanbounce · 29/05/2022 20:14

@ChiselandBits see the thing is, none of my son’s teachers have ever said they thought he might have asd/adhd. They all sing his praises, he’s well behaved & doing well with his school work. They don’t see all this stuff that he does at home. The head at primary took my concerns very seriously & agreed that from what I described of home life, it sounded like it could be something but they monitored him & said they could see no evidence whatsoever.

@Blahtastic thankyou, I agree less demand approach is better & have said much the same to DH but he is struggling with this.

@Didiplanthis thankyou for your post. This is a huge worry of mine - that DS self esteem has already taken a battering and I don’t what him to be left with lifelong problems because he doesn’t feel he’s good enough. He’s such a lovely, gentle natured boy - yes he can be bloody annoying at times when he repeats himself for the hundredth time but he’s a good kid underneath all of that.

We haven’t done anything yet because school holidays/work/life got in the way plus he got a glowing report at parents evening but I plan to make an appointment to discuss with school after half term. I don’t think we can hide from this any more.

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itsgettingweird · 29/05/2022 20:40

This was my ds at 11.

He is diagnosed with ASD.

Often schools don't see a problem because actually they don't know what they're looking for (teachers are clinical psychologists) and you'll find in primary they have know the child since 4 and often just think it's the way they are.

Also look up masking. It maybe his behaviours at home are so extreme because he's holding it in at school to comply.

Blahtastic · 29/05/2022 21:23

Yes to masking, if school say he's fine there but then problems at home (doesn't necessarily have to be meltdowns) the analogy is the child is like a pop bottle being shaken all day and keeping the lid on, but the release comes when they get home, like an explosion because it's been bottled up. If you check out the PDA website they have loads of info and tips. My son could mask at primary but the wheels fell off when we went to secondary as his coping mechanisms couldn't cut the increased stress and sensory overload. If you're about to move up to Y7 I'd get as much help and put things in place ASAP to aid the transition, speak to SENCO at new school.

Thiskidcanbounce · 29/05/2022 22:08

Thanks @Blahtastic . He’s already in Y7, will start Y8 in September. I’ll look at the website you mentioned

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