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12yo violence and bullying at home

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FireandBrimstone · 13/12/2017 21:34

This evening my 12yo son, in the latest of very frequently occurring incidents, punched me square in the nose causing it to pour blood, before continuing to find things around the house (broom handles etc) to hit us with or throw at us with the clear intention of hurting me and my husband. Scarcely a week goes by without this kind of thing happening two or three times a week. He’s punched me in the kidneys and stomach several times before but this is the first time he’s given me a bloody nose. He’s punch3 my husband previously and given him a black eye.

There’s a long back story to this, basically around escalating, instant outbursts over the last few years when things don’t go his way. His junior school referred him to CAMHS a few years ago on suspicion of Asperger’s but after one appointment they reported no indicators. As his behaviour has continued to become more extreme, it’s also become very much focused at home. At school there is pretty consistent disruptive behaviour, lack of respect for classroom ‘etiquette’ (my description - not sure quite how to describe what ‘normal’ attentiveness and respect for a teacher is) and lack of application, and he is consistently regarded as quite immature for his age, but little of concern beyond that and certainly no physical aggression.

We have made several different attempts through different routes (GP, further school referrals, direct requests) to seek further CAMHS support but been knocked back every time. We have also tried a few other forms of private counselling but none ‘gelled’. I also think he is very skilled at saying what he thinks people want to hear. He’s very bright.

The extreme reactions, which are increasingly physical and aggressive in nature, now only happen at home and are accompanied by fowl language and deeply upsetting insults to me and my husband. When in full flow he resists being sent to his room and, if we take him there, he follows us back out (often kicking or punching us in the back as we walk away). If he’s not physically aggressive he ‘needles’ at us and goes around whatever room we are in, picking up and threatening to (or actually) break ornaments etc or damage furniture.

We are consistent in our response - there is always a consequence for these outbursts (usually gaming/tech ban), we try to ignore as much as possible the ‘needling’, we have always used positive reinforcement to focus on and encourage good behaviours. But still we are walking on eggshells every day because one word or decision could trigger these attacks.

Bluntly, it feels like bullying.

I don’t really know where we can look for further external help. From what I can establish there aren’t really any support groups or charities that seem to publish that they provide support to parents dealing with this kind of behaviour. So I’m on here because I just want to see if there any other parents going through this kind of thing and I couldn’t see any existing, recent threads or more directly relevant boards. Would appreciate any signposting.

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tiptopteepe · 13/12/2017 21:41

Have you ever rang the police? I know it seems extreme but he is assaulting you and it is a crime. You cant assault someone just because they are related to you it is still an offence. It may help for a police officer to talk to him and explain the severity of what he is doing. If he doesnt respond to counselling and mental health input perhaps he will respond to it being taken seriously as a crime?

FireandBrimstone · 13/12/2017 21:51

Yes, I rang the police once because he had gone berserkin the house and I was worried he was going to smash a glass partition (therefore worried he was going to hurt himself). When the police came he initially swore at them and barricaded himself in his room, eventually emerging and being very quiet, bashful and calm. He showed none of the shock or mortification I might have expected.
A neighbour once called the police to the house too after obviously hearing a commotion. Again he was quiet and almost unresponsive, and in no way did we see that he was bothered about them coming. Of course we are aware that sometimes the upheaval could sound like we are the ones being violent or abusive to him, and I think that police visit has made him now aware of that too - so when we try to restrain him or stop him from hitting us, he screams and shouts super-loud as if we’re hurting him (though of course we are not) and it feels like he’s deliberately over-reacting to try to get the same thing to happen again.

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tiptopteepe · 13/12/2017 22:01

wow that is hard. Do you have any idea what is making him so angry? When and why did it start?

FireandBrimstone · 13/12/2017 22:18

Thank you for understanding. We used to think it was something to do with unexpected change of one kind or another - which was why, although we didn’t think he has Asperger’s, we were supportive of this being explored. However more often than not it’s just that something just not going the way he wants, expects or hopes. Or that he doesn’t like the consequences (e.g. tech ban or grounded) when he has behaved in a way which needs them. It very quickly escalates so it’s hard to ‘get in front of it’. He’s pretty much always pushed boundaries and been ‘spirited’ from when he was young but otherwise I didn’t see any unusual behaviour. I can see as he’s got older more aware and physically stronger, physical aggression has become the go-to reaction.

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Crusoe · 28/12/2017 18:14

OP
I have just come across this thread and wondered how things are for you now?
My son is a little younger but sounds very, very similar. It’s tough, really really tough.

CloudPerson · 28/12/2017 18:30

If aspergers was considered but not enough of the criteria, have you ever heard of PDA? (Pathological demand avoidance). It's on the ASD spectrum, but as there is better surface sociability it is easy to miss.

Have a look at the PDA society website, there are resources to help manage things.
Also The Explosive Child by Ross Greene, and website/FB page Lives in the Balance can be very helpful with this type of behaviour.

FireandBrimstone · 28/12/2017 21:15

Cruesoe thanks for asking. I’m sorry that you can relate to the post. Sad
Things are much the same, every second day an outburst of some kind or other but nothing quite as aggressive or extreme as it was when he punched me.
We have had a kind of development - for the past few weeks prior to Christmas we had him at a counsellor just on an initial trial basis. Their view after the initial few weeks was to observe that there definitely is some sort of “interruption” in his processing - but not able to say whether this is a cognitive / neurological/emotional cause and even if he continues to see this counsellor they will not diagnose. Financially we can not afford to continue with counselling on the frequency they are recommending so I feel we have to re-double our efforts to get support through the NHS (although my heart sinks just at the thought of having doors slammed in our faces once again).
CloudPerson - no, all of this is still so much of an unknown area for us that I find it hard to know the right sources of possible information - so I have not heard of PDA at all and will definitely look into it. This is really helpful. Thanks also for the book recommendations. I feel - especially since the feedback from the counsellor - that we are back once again at the bottom of a very high, very steep hill and I need to muster all my energy and determination to start the battle with the healthcare establishment yet again. Good resources and background reading is SO helpful so I will follow these tips up.

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Ollivander · 03/01/2018 14:17

Hi Op, this sounds very much like my 9yo DS. In our case it seems some elements of PDA are present but not all and not consistently. I've done the Webster-Stratton parenting course which was really helpful, it goes with the book 'The Incredible Years'. The course was focussed on younger children but I'm quite sure they have a version for teens/young adults. It was a struggle to get referred onto course and it was eventually health visitor who referred us due to risk of my younger child being affected by DS behaviour. Try GP or school nurse, or SEN at school.
The basis of the course is play (for younger children, not sure how they would do it with an older child) but essentially it's forming a connection to strengthen the bond and build trust and empathy. Also deals with positive reinforcement, descriptive praise, routine, tangible rewards. Also think about reflective thinking (I had to google this but think there are Youtube videos).
I've also considered diet (sweeteners/additives etc) and environment (eg sensory overload if living in a house with lots of 'things' - am not saying you do but we do, unfortunately me and DS dad are divorcing and ex does not do housework, has clutter all over house and has taken over DS room as that's where he sleeps - I think this is a big part of our problem. Sorry rant over!) Finally I've heard of retained reflexes and cognitive executive function, which I'm still looking into but seem to apply. Am sure you've heard of/tried some of these, hope this helps and good luck.

RavingRoo · 03/01/2018 14:23

Suggest you contact ss if it hasn’t already been done. They can be really useful and can often provide lots of support (although this is often a postcode lottery).

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FireandBrimstone · 09/01/2018 01:04

Thanks for the suggestions I will look into all of these. Sorry for being a bit incommunicado but sometimes with all of this it gets so mentally exhausting trying to understand what's going on with him and how best to handle things that I have to steel myself to launch into more new research or reading. But absolutely not at all ungrateful for the tips and pointers and I will update, if anyone is interested. I really do appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness, thanks

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