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Ok, so we've been far too soft on dd in the mornings, how do we change things?

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Dancergirl · 18/11/2013 21:10

12 year old dd started at secondary school last year, she's now in Year 8. She has to be up quite early in order to get to the stop in time to get the school coach at 7.40am. She's really struggled with this being a night owl.

She does have an alarm but she's terrible at getting up in the morning and dh (who is up then anyway) has to go in about 3 times between 6.40 and 6.50am to make sure she's up.

I think a 12 year old should be responsible for getting herself up in the morning. Yes I know we've got into bad habits but I want to change things now.

Ideally if she's up late she should suffer the consequences: miss the coach, make her own way to school and be late. The problem is, there is no easy way of getting to school by public transport. It's only about a 15 min drive away but I don't want to drive her if she misses it, that defeats the object.

Any ideas?

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TheOriginalNutcracker · 20/11/2013 10:11

When my 3 were at primary school we all used to get up together, have breakfast and then get ready.

Now my 2 girls are 13 and 16 and they have slipped into bad habits, of staying in bed til nearly 8, missing breakfast and then having to rush around getting ready.

After dd1 lost her school shoes yesterday, resulting in everyone being late, I have put my foot down.

Now I am waking everyone (inc 10 yr old ds) at 7am and they must be downstairs by 7:15, sitting at the table ready for breakfast. If they don't do it they get their phone removed for 24 hours.

It might sound harsh, but this morning was a hell of a lot less stressful, and the girls left on time.

sparklysilversequins · 20/11/2013 10:12

Me too Curlew. That's a great way of putting it.

The "they have to learn" argument makes me quite cross really. It's a good way of diminishing closeness and trust between you and your children as they get older.

Dancergirl · 20/11/2013 10:59

curlew thank you for making me see sense, that's actually my instinct as a mother to help out as much as I can and be kind.

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FossilMum · 20/11/2013 11:35

Is getting her up really such a problem? Yes, she should take responsibility for getting ready on time once she's up, but some people really are just heavy sleepers, esp as teenagers/young adults.

My Dad, bless him, woke our whole family every morning with a cup of tea till I was 17. I thought it was nice and friendly and thanked him for it. When I went to uni I regularly slept through my alarm clock. My friends were kind enough to bang on my door every morning; about 5 times out of 7 I'd be up and ready, the other 2 they'd wake me. Eventually I moved to using 2 alarm clocks, one next to the bed, the other across the room so I had to physically get up to turn it off. When away for work I'd always have an alarm plus a wake-up call. Apparently my Mum's parents were so bad at sleeping through their alarm that the neighbours regularly got them up! Since having DS I am a much lighter sleeper, but I still manage to sleep through DH's alarm, though I do hear my own now.

gamerchick · 20/11/2013 12:13

Nope I'm sticking to the they have to learn camp. 2 wakeups is all you get in this house. If you're not up after that it's on your own head.

No wonder kids are tuning out the way they are if you're expected to wipe their arses into adulthood Hmm

Dancergirl · 20/11/2013 12:29

How are they 'turning out' gamechick?? It's not about wiping their arses, it's about doing something nice for someone for something they genuinely find difficult.

What exactly would you do in my situation then if there is no other way of getting to school other than the school coach?

Doesn't really matter anyway as I'm happy with my decision.

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sparklysilversequins · 20/11/2013 12:29

How are they turning out then gamerchick? Mine get loads done for them and they're lovely.

VenusDeWillendorf · 20/11/2013 12:37

Why don't you get her one of those lights that are an alarm clock. They simulate the dawn? Apparently they are very good at switching on the brain in the dark mornings.

Or three alarms with different loud rings - that is if you're not waking the neighbours. So she has to shift herself by the third ring!

Buy her a bike and tell her she can cycle if she misses the bus. There are other ways of getting there I'm sure rather than driving her.

She needs to own her morning, and organise herself. 12 is quite old to be cajoled into her day IMVHO!

Teens need a lot more sleep than adults, so be easy on her for being tired - she may need an extra hour- but this means an earlier night, not a lie in!!

You don't have to be harsh to be firm. But I think she needs to learn how to take more responsibility for her timekeeping, and her morning organisation.

sparklysilversequins · 20/11/2013 12:41

When children are little everyone says "they'll do it in their own time" about everything. As soon as they hit teens it's all about "should be ready by now" for everything. It's proven that teenage years are as important developmentally as the early years, so why are we so hard on them? Personally I like to make life easier for my children if I can at a time when stress and expectations at school etc have increased hugely.

Dancergirl · 20/11/2013 12:54

Excellent post sparkly, totally agree

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VenusDeWillendorf · 20/11/2013 13:09

Yes, it's proven teens need more sleep, and that they need to lie in also.

But the world doesn't work that way does it. School still starts in the morning, not just before noon as "should" in order to accommodate the development of the teen brain.

Life's not tailored around teens and that's where the conflict lies.

Teens need to sleep more, so have them go to bed earlier, as they aren't able to lie in.

We should lobby for later starting times for teens, it suits their brains better.
But they don't have late starts at the moment, therefore as they are part of society, they must slot into the commute machine the same time as the rest of us.

It is tough for them, as they are going through a brain rewiring as big as that which happens in toddlerhood, but can't be picked up and put in a buggy while their brains get on with it!!!

Negotiation skills are very necessary in life, and maybe a weekly meeting with everyone's needs outlined is in order.
Teens need more sleep, but it must not happen in the morning.
Everyone in a family deserves easy relationships, and low stress, so how can we achieve that.
Communication is essential, and family meetings where everyone's needs are discussed and acknowledged are essential.

curlew · 20/11/2013 13:12

Oh, and I refuse to believe that any child has learnt how not to forget things by their mother refusing to drop whatever it is off at school for them, if she can do it with little inconvenience or cost.

Verycold · 20/11/2013 13:19

Curlew I am totally with you. "wiping their arses"? Just because family members look out for each other? Hmm

killpeppa · 20/11/2013 13:31

curlew. agree totally.

I used to wake stbEX as I was up first with kids. why shouldnt? to teach him a lesson. So silly.

Theres plenty of time to be independent, as a teen, waking up in the morning aint one of themGrin

Hullygully · 20/11/2013 13:35

Mine are 15 and 16 and I get them up every morning AND make their breakfast

Bumpsadaisie · 20/11/2013 13:41

I disagree with the premise of the post, that self reliance in the mornings at age 12 is necessarily a good thing.

My Dad used to wake me with a cup of tea every morning.

I then showered, put on clean uniform mum had washed and ironed.

Then I had a hot breakfast (poached egg, bacon and beans) that mum cooked for me.

This went on till I left home at 18.

I now do the same for my own children, its one of the things I'm most conscientious about. Its a bit boasty but it's true: we are NEVER late for school, we NEVER forget kit/homework/permission slips, my kids are always well breakfasted, well groomed etc.

I think it's the example from my own parents shining through. In fact having had such a good level of care from my own parents has made me determined to live up to it and provide the same to my own kids.

So I don't think it necessarily follows that by mothering your kids you turn them into entitled zombies. It all depends how its done. There is a difference between mothering them and spoiling them/putting up with yobby or entitled behaviour (my parents wouldn't have stood for a moment of THAT!)

Interesting my DH who went to boarding school and had to be very self disciplined, is to my mind now a bit lax in terms of giving our kids a good send off for the day. Sometimes he forgets to give them a drink (though not recently since I bent his ear about it!), sometimes he forgets to send hats/gloves if needed .

He is brilliant in other ways, but he hasnt had the experience of having a parent really care for you. So he is a bit hampered when he tries to do it himself.

Hullygully · 20/11/2013 13:42
Orangeanddemons · 20/11/2013 13:42

But school should start at qo. It makes for better learning which is what school is about. It isn't about catering to the teenage population whims, but catering to their learning powers

gamerchick · 20/11/2013 13:43

[Grin] turning out just fine thank you. After 2nd call 14 yr old gets up and sorts himself out most of the time because he knows the consequences.

Parent how you want... I don't wipe their arses when they're teenagers and no amount of snippy Hmm will change that.

I'm afraid I can't find a wibble to give you sparkly. My kids are awesome.

Bumpsadaisie · 20/11/2013 13:46

I thank you Hully. Blush

curlew · 20/11/2013 13:53

I don't "wipe arses" either.

But I don't wipe the arses of my friends or my partner, either. So "wiping arses" does not pass my "should I do this?" test.

But helping out if I can does. Making life difficult in order to "teach them a lesson" doesn't.

gamerchick · 20/11/2013 14:00

You help your kids out of bed curlew?

Uniforms ready and so is breakfast.. its up to him to get up, washed and dressed after 2nd call. I'm rather amused that I have to also coax him out of bed as well. Fuck that for a lark.

He's lucky... 15 Is learning to use the washing machine and cooking a meal once a week.... being given his child benefit to teach him budgeting as well as the money he earns from me atm.

If that makes me a shit mother then so be it.. I'm perfectly comfortable :)

HellsBellsnBucketsofBlood · 20/11/2013 14:00

buy her this and make sure you set it yourself. and place at other side of room.

www.gizoo.co.uk/Products/MovingAlarmClock.htm?SPMC=TGSPPCGFRO1535&gclid=CNy5raHD87oCFafMtAodNwMAog

Orangeanddemons · 20/11/2013 14:01

My dd age 7 would love me to still wipe her arseSad. I don't though.

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curlew · 20/11/2013 14:06

You do seem to be a bit....overinvested in this, gamerchick........