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Help - need urgent advice on free preschool/nursery options

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Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 19:30

We have decided to use our nursery for the free preschool sessions, mainly because we may be moving in the meantime and don't know where we will be to pick a preschool/playschool.

However in order to get my free sessions I am likely to have to pay on top of that, in all but one scenario. I need help deciding which one is going to work best. There are complicating factors but I will put those to you in a minute. Here are the scenarios and costs:
5 sessions of 2.5 days = £285 extra a month
4 sessions of 2 days = £212
3 sessions of 1.5 days = £159
2 sessions of 1 day =£106 a month (I can't remember if these last 2 are actually 1 and 1.5 days, I seem to remember from elsewhere that the sessions have to be over 3 days but the 1st 2 are definitely right as I wrote that down, and the 4 sessions aren't spread over 3 days, so maybe they make an exception. Let's assume they do for now).

The final scenario is a completely free place every day of the week 12.30 till 3.30 but with no food and term time only.

The above extra money comes from the fact that the free sessions are 3 hours long but the nursery sessions are longer, include food and are all year not just term time. The money is averaged out per month so the discount is applied monthly rather than term time but you only get free sessions during term time. DD already goes for one full day and I will be keeping that day. My childcare vouchers will take about £20 of the prices above (I already claim some).

One complication is the money, ideally we'd just take the free place as we don't really have much extra, plus DH may be losing his job in June, and though we hope he will find another obviously we can't guarantee anything. At the moment he works part time and looks after her 3 days, and I look after her 1 day, nursery day the 5th day. The other complication is that I will be on maternity leave from exactly when she starts these sessions, which is where I need the sage advice from lovely MNetters. I am going to have a newborn and a toddler. Is it better for me to take the free place which but which will mean that I have to take DD for a short session everyday (well, I'm hoping she can still keep her 1 full day on top of that), make sure she is fed before hand, take the newborn and her then collect her 3 hours later etc?

Or do I take the risk of paying £100 a month that we may of may not be able to afford (but I would only consider the 2 session offer) in order to get another full day with her in nursery. Means pick up and drop off time can be more flexible with a bigger time window, and 2 full days with just me and the new one?

Is the first one manageable in you experience? Or is it worth paying the extra money to get a full day but only get the benefit of 2 free sessions. Oh, in the fully free scenario the place is only term term, but in the 1 day scenario it is all year round.

Help me! I need to decide asap as apparently the free places fill up quick and I have been dithering about it.

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Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 19:58

Bump - I know it's long but someone please answer or I'll post in every topic!

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cktwo · 22/03/2010 20:38

To be honest, that was so long and complicated I skimmed it but here's my thoughts....If you're going to be on maternity leave, then take the free places and nothing else as you don't need the childcare. Then you get up the places as a when yo need to as you've already got a foot in the door IYSWIM

Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 20:41

Thanks, I've reposted in chat more concisely!

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cordonbleugh · 22/03/2010 20:45

Sorry, but why can't your DD just go for the free sessions and you not pay any extra on top? Do you need childcare when its not term time?

Why does it matter that the nursery sessions are longer than the 3 free hours, that they include food and are all year?

Sorry if I'm being thick, but DD's nursery sounds the same, and she only goes for the funded hours, regardless of what the nursery's sessions are, or that they open all year round, she just only goes in term time.

Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 20:51

She can, my question is (in there somewhere) should I just take the free sessions and have to cart DD and a newborn to and from nursery every day for what will be less than 3 hours 'break' or should I pay some money on top and get a full days 'break' (obviously I don't mean break, I mean time with the new baby) without having to reorganise every day around her nursery sessions?

In a nutshell. Which is probably what I should have said in the first place!

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cordonbleugh · 22/03/2010 20:57

lol ah, I get you now. Depends how far away the nursery is I think - DD's is a 5 minute walk down the road so it's not much hassle to take her, and we only get 12.5 hours at the moment so she's only there from 1 - 3:30.

I think with a newborn, if you can afford it, pay the extra money and get a longer 'break'

Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 21:00

Well it will either be a 20 min walk, a 2 minute drive or a 10 minute drive depending on where we are living (and that is a WHOLE other thread of crapness!)

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tattycoram · 22/03/2010 21:01

I am going to be in a similair position in Oct (hopefully) with a newborn and a nearly four year old. It's so hard isn't it - are you any good at sleeping when your baby sleeps? An hour or two's nap in the morning could be a lifesaver. Also, a toddler who has been out and had a good morning will be easier to look after than one who is at home and bored.

Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 21:11

(Cross posted from the other thread I have in chat) Ok, I'm being a complete idiot, and I don't think the nursery explained this properly. Right I need to confirm this with them tomorrow but currently I pay (averaged over a month) £177 a month for 1 day a week (it's v expensive!) and I am considering only going for 2 extra sessions at £106 while keeping DD's usual session. Well, obviously I can get the grant discount for that day as well, so in actual fact get 4 free sessions, and instead of £177 plus £106 which is what I was working it out as, it would be £106 plus £106, £212 so only £30 more than I pay now - not £100 extra!

Does that sound right? One of the quotes she gave me was for 4 sessions over 2 days, which comes to £212, but I was completely ignoring the fact that I could ofset her current day in that. That way I get 2 full days for much less than I though

No wonder I am confusing you all!

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cordonbleugh · 22/03/2010 21:14

lol I have no idea but I really hope that you're right and it works out only £30 extra rather than £100!

I've got this nightmare to contend with when I go back to work and have to calculate how much I'll need to pay per month on top of her funded hours, plus the extra for when its not term time etc etc! Maths not my strong point!

Bumperlicious · 22/03/2010 21:19

Thanks for all your replies.

Tatty, the problem with the funded session is that it is 12.30-3.30, not the morning, plus I would need to make sure she had eaten lunch before leaving, I can just see it being v stressful, for not a lot of gain (plus unsettling for her as she is used to being at nursery all day).

Will confirm tomorrow, but 2 days is going to be my preferred option. I'm really lucky that my employer will pay my childcare vouchers while I am on SMP too, so that will actually save me some money!

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tattycoram · 23/03/2010 06:58

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that. I would do whole days then, definitely.

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