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Supervisor conditions o work - help please!

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hubaloosmum · 21/03/2010 21:53

I'm the chair of a little pre-school and hoped I might be able to get some advice from others on committees.

Does your supervisor get paid for all holidays?

Does your supervisor get paid non-contact time each week?

it's a minefield, but one I need to cross!

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Katymac · 21/03/2010 21:57

It depends

She should have non-contact time; there really is a lot to do.

The holidays is different - do you mean 13 week paid holiday? I wouldn't have thought so but 28 days is the legal minimum - usually they add it all up so 39 weeks plus 28 days (which might include bank holidays) & divide by 12 so she gets the same each month

hubaloosmum · 21/03/2010 22:15

Currently the supervisor is paid the full 13 weeks holiday - ie the statutory time plus 9 further weeks.

She also gets 4.5 hours per week paid non-contact time in which to do "planning and preparation" out of a total working week of 22.5 hours.

I am struggling to square the circle that means that her wage bill is 25% of our total costs (and we employ 5 other members of staff) and I cannot see the result of all those hours in the planning/activities especially as she does no adult led activities.

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Katymac · 21/03/2010 22:21

Who does the
*EYFS folders/learning stories etc?
*Risk Assessments?
*Policies & Procedures?
*Staff Rotas?
*Wages?

I estimate I spend about a full time member of staff on admin

13 weeks is very high imo

Katymac · 21/03/2010 22:22

(but I am a bit different - not a preschool)

5ofus · 21/03/2010 22:25

We pay our supervisor for the hours she works only plus holiday pay which is the legal minimum (5.8 weeks?)

During her normal working week she has contact time with the children but also planning time. Any meetings out of hours are paid at her normal hourly rate.

hubaloosmum · 21/03/2010 22:30

EYFS folders are updated by the child's key person and initial set up by deputy.

Risk assessments for direct child risks she does, general risk is me.

Policies and procedures all just done between supervisor and myself as chair (I'd say 60/40)

Staff rotas is a sore point (as we are well over quota and she won't reduce)

Wages are done by treasurer.

All admissions are done by deputy.

If you work out her salary based on term time hours she is on £11.18 per hour in the West Midlands.

She has also been claiming extra for meetings.

Is it just me??

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Katymac · 21/03/2010 22:33

Seems a fair amount to me

How many children & what ages - for your staff? Undermanning is a real issue - How do you cover sickness, courses & planned leave?

Katymac · 21/03/2010 22:34

By fair I mean fairly high wages/hliday/non contact for the tasks - I'd love to be on her wage

hubaloosmum · 21/03/2010 22:42

We can take a maximum of 26 children, we take them from 2yrs9months.

We currently have 23/25 children in each day - two are under 3. We have 5 members of staff in each day.

We are open 9.15-12.15pm termtimes only.

We are also a registered charity!

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Katymac · 21/03/2010 22:45

So your 2 under 3 need their own member of staff I think (1:4) you might get away with a half member of staff but it could be challenged.

That leaves 24 so 3 members of staff

5 in each day means if someone goes off you are covered - or do you get in extra cover for absences?

Katymac · 21/03/2010 22:47

That includes the supervisor - you are about 1/2 over imo - unless you get cover for absences in which case you are 1.5 over

You can't do anything about the .5 but the 1 is negotiable - however I find organising cover very difficult & in an ideal world a floater would be great (if expensive)

hubaloosmum · 21/03/2010 22:56

Each member of staff has a day off each week so there is always cover available (and to be honest, it has ended up being me more than once...as a former primary teacher I seem to be useful)

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Katymac · 22/03/2010 07:45

What I do is work out non-contact time for each child, then all bookable leave, then all planned courses (first aid, etc), then all hoped for courses and finally a percentage for sick (which is higher for people with children under 11)

Then I have my staffing level

(sorry I went to bed last night)

cktwo · 22/03/2010 20:34

I don't know if this is any help but here goes:

Our leader is paid an hourly rate for term-time including any over-time hours for non-contact time at the same rate. She is paid 4 weeks holiday plus bank holidays. So in total she gets paid 43 weeks of the year.

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