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Preschool education

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Preschool/nursery failed ofsted

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 18:30

So my daughters preschool has failed ofsted on safeguarding and educational outcome.
I have found her a preschool to attend for 9
Weeks before the end of term as she’s due to start reception in sept.

Do you think as they failed and I’m removing her without giving notice as it’s not worth the risk keeping her there I should get my deposit back etc? Will they come after me for not paying the notice??

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/05/2019 18:32

No you still need to give proper. Price as detailed in your contract or forfeit your deposit in lieu of notice.

GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/05/2019 18:33

*notice

SoyDora · 06/05/2019 18:33

You will still have to give notice as per your contract.

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 18:34

I’m so
Shocked a school can failed of safeguarding and I have to pay them?? They have their terms notice I have from April but I don’t think I should have to continue paying when I wouldn’t remove her if they hadn’t failed..!

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GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/05/2019 18:35

What do you mean ‘failed’? Ofsted don’t have a grade called ‘failed’.

SoyDora · 06/05/2019 18:36

Unless it’s in your contract that you can remove without notice in the event of them failing ofsted, then you are contractually obliged to give notice or forfeit your deposit in lieu of notice.

GeorgieTheGorgeousGoat · 06/05/2019 18:38

Presumably she’s funded and you don’t pay anyway?

rainbowruthie · 06/05/2019 18:39

Requires improvement?
Inadequate?

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 18:40

Inadequate!

Nope I have been paying as the private nursery don’t accept 30 hours . On accept 15 hours..!!!

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 18:41

I pay £800 a month and that includes 15 hours free!

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missmapp · 06/05/2019 18:43

Getting inadequate in safeguarding CA be for admin irregularities which,although unacceptable, don't necessarily means children are at risk. However, although your decision is understandable , you will need to pay. They may well have a few leaving so will probably be chasing payments.

WafflingDreamer · 06/05/2019 18:45

I think your only option is to talk to the manager however I highly suspect they will not give you permission to breach your contract. They will be able to explain why they were deemed inadequate for their safeguarding and explain to you what they are doing to remedy this. Nothing has actually changed though just an outside body has assessed them and they did not meet its criteria

DippyAvocado · 06/05/2019 18:46

Have they been forced to shut at all? If not, I don't think you would have any grounds not to serve the usual notice period.

Thestral · 06/05/2019 18:53

Why did they get inadequate?

Not having a current DBS for all staff would mean an inadequate grade - that could mean that one person's has lapsed by a few days, after they've been working there for 20 years, local pillar of the community, etc. Inadequate for safeguarding might also mean that children had escaped from nursery/policies were not in place to look after vulnerable children etc. Very different kettles of fish.

If it's a paperwork error that's since been rectified, then I probably wouldn't worry. Something more serious? Remove your child. You need to find out which it is.

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 18:59

They were deemed inadequate after 5 minutes of the ofsted inspector arrived. A child in baby room had be hurt and needed surgery some months ago and it was report to ofsted. They didn’t know how the child got her and didn’t record it.
While ofsted were there they reported that children (my daughters class) were not making the progress they should and the observation and teaching was inadequate.

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 19:05

I would never want to remove her if I didn’t feel I needed to. I went to parent/management meeting on Friday and was shocked . The leadership have put in place a weak strategy and were very defensive when asked regarding how they were going to implement when ofsted had requested. The response was - it’s a bit wishy washy and I don’t feel we need to look into their points’

If was a paperwork issue I would 100% keep her there but the fact is they aren’t teaching my child, they are observing properly, the report that the older children were being forced to play with baby toys as that was all available...

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Thestral · 06/05/2019 19:08

Was that in the report? Only it's very rare to hear a result before the end of the full inspection!

The first incident you describe is far more serious than the second - I think every nursery and school out there will occasionally have lessons in which progress isn't classified as being up to OFSTED standards. That in itself doesn't mean much.

An unrecorded injury? I would want to know what processes have been put in place since the incident.

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 19:09

No that was in the report but the school said they were informed 5 mins into the inspection...
I understand you can fail like that if the receptionist hasn’t signed a person in correctly which of course is a safeguarding issue...

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 19:16

Sorry - wasn’t in the report. The school
Told us the inspector told
Them after 5 minutes

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IceRebel · 06/05/2019 19:16

You have the right to remove your daughter, but you will still need to give the correct notice period / payment.

SoyDora · 06/05/2019 19:25

Them being deemed inadequate in some areas does not negate your contract, unfortunately.

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Nkmama15 · 06/05/2019 19:29

I thought inadequate in safeguarding, education, observing, facilities, leadership would have been enough for me to be concerned to remove my child without paying. It’s like having a mobile contract and suddenly the provider can give you signal but you have to continue to pay for them as you ‘have a contract’ or you have a tenancy agreement and you landlord decides to remove the windows and toilet but you have carry on paying as you have s contract..

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SoyDora · 06/05/2019 19:30

I thought inadequate in safeguarding, education, observing, facilities, leadership would have been enough for me to be concerned to remove my child without paying

Unfortunately not, no.

IneedKirstieandPhil · 06/05/2019 19:31

Are they likely to take you to court for non-payment probably not- I’d take my child out and not pay.

SoyDora · 06/05/2019 19:32

It’s like having a mobile contract and suddenly the provider can give you signal but you have to continue to pay for them as you ‘have a contract’ or you have a tenancy agreement and you landlord decides to remove the windows and toilet but you have carry on paying as you have s contract...

In both those scenarios there would be clauses in the contract dealing with those issues. For example a landlord will be contractually obliged to keep the house in good repair. Unless there is a clause in your contract relating to inadequate ofsted inspections, you will be obliged to give notice.

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