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DS aged 3 is shattered!

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Ridingthestorm · 27/01/2015 21:35

DS started a school nursery class two weeks ago. He goes to a CM at 8:45am, she drops him off at nursery at 12:45pm and MIL picks him up at 3:45pm. We (DH and I) are home by 5pm most nights; DH sometimes earlier and me once a week at 6pm. DS is very happy at his CMs and nursery. We have no issues with either.

The problem is, DS is falling asleep at about 4:30/4:45pm. We have tried keeping him awake to no avail. He wakes an hour later just before 6pm but he wakes crying, cranky and is quite difficult to pacify!!! This often means he doesn't eat his tea because he is too upset. He goes to bed at 7:30/8pm and we have tried to bring it earlier to no avail due to it being too close to him eating, bath time takes a good 40 minutes because he loves to play in the bath and also because he has just napped means he often doesn't fall asleep until after 8pm as it is. This then has a knock-on effect in the morning when he is difficult to wake.

I am not sure how to fix this, or if it is fixable! Will he grow out of it/get used to the new routine?

Tell me what I am doing wrong please!!!

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tumbletumble · 27/01/2015 21:38

At that age my DD was still having a 2 hour nap every day. When did your DS drop his? It's tricky to fit in if nursery is in the afternoon. Maybe a nap straight afterwards at 3.45 for half an hour would keep him going till bedtime?

RandomMess · 27/01/2015 21:41

One of my 4 girls was also still napping at this age. It's quite an individual thing.

Can MIL feed him straight away or give him his bath?

Ridingthestorm · 27/01/2015 22:11

He stopped his nap about four months before his third birthday (September).
He naps in the car on journeys of 20 minutes or more and will sometimes have an afternoon nap at about 3pm but this is rare - twice in the xmas holidays.
Asked MIL to give him a light tea when they arrive home. This lasted two days Hmm and not sure why it has stopped. Light tea was a sandwich tea (like what he had at CMs before Nursery) but now it is just dunkers or crisps for some reason. I think tomorow moring I will do a 'pack up' and tell MIL his tea is in the fridge (I am home at 6pm tomorrow and DH out until 10pm!!)
DS is a bit 'funny' with MIL (she is elderly and DS not as close to her as he is to DM - generation gap between the two!) so bath would be out of the question! She just about copes pcking him up from nursery and having an hour with him never mind bathing him as well! She is jut of a different generation and 'less fun' than my DM, IYSWIM. Baths are only every other day.
I will encourage MIL to encourage DS to nap asap when they get back at 4pm or after his tea and see if that makes a difference.

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RandomMess · 27/01/2015 22:41

How long is she letting him sleep for? Could she just let him have 20 mins max type of thing??

He will grow out of it - or take some time off work to get him into a routing of much earlier nights and not needing a nap?

Ridingthestorm · 28/01/2015 22:13

I start maternity leave in three weeks so after a big think, may get a better handle on the situation then.
This evening he was a bloody nightmare. Got home at 6pm and MIL greeted me asap with a turned down face and very flustered (she is 76, active but very timid and 'weak'). DS refused to put on his coat and threw himself on the floor. It was obvious to nursery staff that she was having difficulty and they intervened. When she got home, he refused his corned beef sandwich that I had pre made in the morning and was in the fridge. So she made him a cheese one which she says he didn't eat much but on inspecting, he did. She used two slices of bread whereas I only ever use one of a sandwich! He then sprinted to the toilet as the phone rang and he tripped and banged his head. She was 'very concerned' that this all happened when the phone rang and that she missed the call!?!? I said, stuff the phone, they would ring back, DS is far more important and the fact he needed the loo (still needs a little help, especially when tired) trumps a phone call. I got home to a curled up little boy on the sofa (he had had a half hour nap). She said he had had an accident but I assumed she had cleaned him up (different trousers etc). Turns out, she hadn't! I left my child on the sofa to snooze for half an hour after getting in (God knows how long since the accident) in soaking wet clothes - trousers,socks and t shirt!!! I didn't realise until after I had eaten (DS refused tea) and picked up DS to go upstairs. He was drenched. He was still mostly asleep and I had to undress and wash his body to get rid of the urine from his skin. This made me cross!
DS perked up afterwards. He had his tea, a bun and milk and watched his programmes before THREE stories instead of the usual two. He has literally conked out without much effort.
I have to admit, it is very difficult to only allow him certain length of time to nap. Even I struggle to wake him.
I am hoping after half term when I take over the pick ups that he will get a 'proper' tea on getting home and then straight in the bath and PJs even if it means at 5pm so that if he does fall asleep, we can take him straight to bed.

Don't think MIL is coping that well. I will have to have a word with DH tonight when he gets in. It is only for two more weeks and there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of taking time off (teacher) and DH is often in meetings in various places around the North/Central Enlgand. I think I can foresee that when I return to work in November, I will have to ask CM to pick up up and have him for that hour.

MIL is a lovely woman. She is very kind, gentle (bit too much, IYSWIM) but doesn't have the capacity or skills to 'negotiate' and deal with a tantruming pre-schooler. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that DH didn't turn out bad! Though he does have a stubborn and bossy streak in him!!! I told her that if he refuses, not to make a fuss and let him 'have his own way' because he quickly realises how wrong his 'decisions' are and eventually conforms. Told her that if he refuses to go with Her or throws himself on the floor, to walk away because he ALWAYS follows. I feel for MIL. She tries hard with him, too hard in fact, and at times I have had to cringe because she fusses over him, asking questions, telling him to do this that and that etc. It is as though he hates her, whinging at her, back answering and even refusing to acknowledge her at times. She isn't nasty but a little over-bearing. tea times can be a battle; she eats her tea whilst watching him, telling or asking him to try this or eat that or "that's a big mouthful" etc, etc and then proceeds to try and wipe his hands or mouth in mid flow of his meal!?!? DS has a more positive relationship with my DM and the difference is clear for everyone to see. There is a generation gap between DH's mother and my mother (56 almost and like a teen compared to MIL).

DS goes to a CM every weekday then nursery. After Easter he is dropping his CM times to just two mornings as we need to keep a place for him and for financial reasons whilst I am on maternity leave. But now wondering if it is better to reduce his hours once I am on maternity leave? I kept it as is due to being easier to calculate childcare costs to the end of a month (March) and needing DS in childcare the week I go for my c section. I may drop his CM hours after half term but ask CM to take him the week of my c section (no way MIL can't cope having him in a morning. She refuses to rise before 8:30 and won't have him in her room whilst she dresses - takes a good hour for her to get ready, don't ask! - and rest of family live 120 miles away!)

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RandomMess · 28/01/2015 23:14

When you return to work in November I should think this problem will have moved on anyway, he won't be so tired anymore - he'll be at least 9 months older - that is nearly a quarter of his life to have matured and need less sleep, cope with pre-school etc.

You need to discuss changes with your CM - a good childminder is worth continuing to pay for and she may not hold open a 5 mornings per week place for him for that sort of length of time.

insancerre · 29/01/2015 06:38

Is there any way he could do morning session at nursery and then go to the cm?
That way he could sleep at the CMs and you wouldn't need to rely on mil

Iggly · 29/01/2015 06:41

I was going to suggest morning sessions.

He's going to preschool when most kids have a natural dip in the day.

I would also not use the mil for childcare tbh in the future. It isn't fair on her or your ds.

Toptack · 29/01/2015 06:59

Yeah, morning sessions at preschool and CM in the afternoon. Presumably you will rethink childcare as a whole when you finish the upcoming maternity leave, as MIL obviously shouldn't be asked to cope with a toddler and a baby!

Ridingthestorm · 01/02/2015 18:14

I wanted mornings originally but nursery cannot accomodate mornings. CM said afternoons work best for her because she has more children in an afternoon yet only last week she announced that she was finding the turnaround (morning pick ups at 11:45 and drop offs at 12:45) difficult. Angry
He will drop the CM to thursday and friday mornings after Easter and she knows I am aiming to return to work part time in November so will need to add Wednesday mornings when the time comes. However, I am hoping DS can go to nursery mornings come Sept 2015 but that all depends on if CM can drop off at 8:45 and pick up at 11:45. It's complicated and when DS starts school fully in Sept 2016, she will have about 10 kids to pick up at 3:45!!! She is currently stressing over this though I told her to get a minibus which she seemed genuinely interested in.
Come Sept 2016, if CM cannot take DS to school and pick him up, then we are up shits creek. We live in a village with very few CMs and if I don't have anyone to do 'wrapround childcare' even for three days if I get the part time hours I want, I may have to quit work altogether, which I don't really want to do for career propsects as well as financial and sanity purposes!!!

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Ridingthestorm · 01/02/2015 18:18

I had no intention whatsoever of MIL coping with a toddler and a baby!!!! I wasn't 100% happy with her coping with a pre-schooler!!

MIL doing us a 'favour' for a term whilst I am still at work until mat leave. Her looking after a baby was NEVER, EVER in the equation. She will be going to CM's on days I work.

My DM used to look after DS on Mondays and Tuesdays but due to personal circumstances, she had to quit otherwise there probably wouldn't be too big an issue.

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