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Help me think through my DS's nursery choices. This is a long post!

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sanserif · 27/05/2012 00:20

So my DS1 has been in an OFSTED outstanding (prev. good) central London nursery (part of a children's centre) since he was 11m. He's now 3y 3m. IMO things started to go downhill once the current head of the nursery took over, a year or so ago.

Several things have happened that have made me doubt the place : 1) the head of the nursery changed from a guy who was passionate about and set up the nursery to a pencil-pushing I'll-get-an-OFSTED-outstanding type who is quite parent-unfriendly, 2) staff cuts have meant that there are only NVQ3 people in the 3+ room whereas previously there was an EY teacher, and 3) I'm not convinced that a 1:8 ratio is enough for 3-4 year olds and as an example, my son came home the other day with a 1" hole slashed into his (nice leather) shoe. Apparently Henry (don't know him) had made it, presumably with my son's full cooperation. The time it takes to make a 1" hole in leather shoes must mean they were completely unobserved for quite awhile, and that really concerns me. There was nothing malicious about it, it's just that they were able to do this that bothers me.

This nursery generally has a very good reputation and the other rooms were great, but I think a combo of uninspired leadership and cuts has meant that the great staff have left and now the staff are less great and there are just less of them. The 3+ room has a couple of staff who are ALWAYS sitting down, often with a glazed look, when I go to pick my son up. This worries me but there are positives: beautiful building, beautiful and large outdoor space, great, well-kept, well-considered toys and equipment, general benefits of being a children's centre, generally boy-heavy and so I think, quite boy-friendly.

The main alternative I'm considering is a private Montessori that accepts children from 2+ , with an OFSTED 'good', for what that's worth. Positives: 1:5 or 1:6 ratio depending on the time of day, 3 staff members with a Montessori diplomas (which I think is quite a lot?) in the 3+ area at any one time, generally raved about by parents, is a 'nursery school' and only takes children from 2+ so maybe more suited to my son who is already 3+. Negatives: outdoor space nowhere near as nice or as big though they do take frequent trips to the large park down the road, unknown quantity, can't put DD1 in there once she's 1 year old, since it only starts at 2 so would have to use a nanny with her, described as 'quite structured' by owner and can't decide whether this is good or bad or neither.

My son has just over a year before he'll move onwards, so I think if I want to move him, now is a good time to make it worthwhile. He's happy enough where he -- happy enough to go to nursery but also very happy to be picked up when I arrive. He has specific boys he mentions but they are by no means BFFs.

What should I do? Please help me think this through.

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stormgirlNZ · 27/05/2012 12:14

Can you get some more information on what "quite structured" means? i.e Ask them for their routine of the day (ideally it should include how much time they spend being made to sit down or in adult directed activity)

"Quite structured" might sound good, but since every bit of research that I can think of on how children best learn, as well as the EYFS (which is based on that research) requires nursery age children to have plenty of opportunity for uninterrupted sustained shared thinking, which occurs best during free-play time.

I would be wary of any place that interrupts children's play for carpet time or small groups. Those centres are indicating that they do not understand how children of this age learn best and are potentially scheduling things that sound good to parents (who also potentially do not understand how children of this age learn best)

EBDTeacher · 27/05/2012 19:44

Get the nanny for both DC and just send DS to the Montessori for his free hours?

The whole point of Montessori is that they facilitate rather than dictate children's learning so if it's a good Montessori place he will be granted freedom within structure IYSWIM.

sanserif · 27/05/2012 23:44

Yes stormgirlNZ, I think I should follow up on that 'quite structured' comment. I think what he probably meant is that they lay things out, etc. with a plan and it's not all chaos, which is definitely what I want but I should probe a bit more. EBDTeacher, I may be wrong but I feel that with less than three days, kids don't really get very attached to nursery, form real friendships, etc. so I'm quite keen on doing three days. Still very undecided. I think I'll mull it over for a few more days.

One thing that has always bothered me is all this talk (not in Montessori but generally in EYFS) of focusing on the particular child. Obviously that's great in theory but with a 1:8 ratio, or in the case of a nursery attached to a school, 1:15 or similar, how is that at all possible?

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thegreylady · 28/05/2012 19:28

Montessori is wonderful-the whole ethos of the method is gentle structure and appreciation of the idea of learning together. My DS went to one forty years ago!

EBDTeacher · 28/05/2012 19:52

I was thinking more do 3hrs each day? That way he'd be there every day to settle and form relationships. There would probably be lots of other 3+ kids just taking their free hours.

Pretty much every pre-school I've looked at offers the free hours as 5 morning blocks, say 9am-12pm.

The rest of the time he could be with your nanny. Personally I would see that as ideal. You have to find something that works for you though.

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