Prep or Run?

[myotheraccountsa]

This probably isn't the right place for this (I did look for a Conspiracy Theory forum but there doesn't seem to be one). But I thought this was the closest match and Preppers the folks most likely to understand.

So, if you got a 'tip off' from someone with very good inside info and that you trusted 90% - that you should be seriously considering not only prepping but taking your family and leaving the UK, permanently, because of the way things are stacking up...What would your thoughts be?

There's not a lot more info than that to go on I'm afraid but I'm bothered enough about it that would like other opinions from those who have also been studying the world situation of Brexit and many other events for a long time now.

We've nowhere to run to.

I know my dad is in half a mind to move to Spain (his wife and her family are Spanish).

Whose to say the situation in the place you are running to is ultimately better? You have to weigh up the fact that you may be going somewhere where you don’t speak the language, don’t understand the culture, aren’t welcome, and have no support network. They might even send you back, and if you have “sold up” you could come back with nothing.

I’m pretty convinced the UK is on the abyss, but the abyss of what? If society here was to descend in to something very different it’s probably still going to be a lot better for my family than 90% of the rest of the world.

If it was just me I possibly would look to move to Canada (I have family there, know the language/culture etc, and know the area quite well) but I have closer family here and a job etc, so it’s not an option.

you should be seriously considering not only prepping but taking your family and leaving the UK, permanently, because of the way things are stacking up...What would your thoughts be?

I am continually weighing up my options on this. DS1 already holds a non British passport. I'm going to get me and DS2 new non British passports in the new year. I am fortunately in that I have family and a working history (NI number equivalent and active bank account) in another EU country.

I don't really want to move, but I will if it is the best thing for my DC. One of my good friends has already gone. What options do you have OP?

What do you know myotheraccountsa?

I'm a 'amateur' UK Prepper. I have provisions, medical supplies, general supplies, fuel, equipment and weapons all stored in case of a national emergency. I estimate that with appropriate rationing, I have 5-6 weeks initial supplies stored for my immediate family. I have a special cupboard that I use for my supplies including additional clothing.

I have drills and plans for what I would do in certain situations. Primarily this involve getting back home (which is largely secure) and if possible grabbing additional provisions on the way back. Once home I have additional measures to secure the property to make entry extremely difficult and I then hunker down.

Of course you can't plan for every eventuality, a mass flood would be very difficult for me to deal with, but some of the more 'general' mass emergencies, I should be OK (for a while).

There are a load of websites with some general information about what to do in an emergency and one of my first purchases was a 'preppers' kit which also acts as my 'bug out' bag (you have to leave in a hurry and it has everything you need for the first few days).

I know it all sounds mad - but it is estimated in a mass emergency (which disrupts water, electricity and food supplies) it only takes 3 days before rioting/looting and then within 5 days, people will start to turn on each other due to lack of electricity, water and food.

Anyway - happy to answer questions although will not give out specifics.

occasionally may I ask what measures you used to make your property secure? We're in a city, so I don't see how we can reasonably prevent entry (no seclusion!) but if like to make it a little more difficult (so they'd go next door etc)

I'd like to make it, Sorry- fat fingers.

I only have 2 entrances - front and back. In addition to upgrading them to UPVC deadlocked doors, I also have internal door braces for both. My weakest entry point is then the front room window and the conservatory to the rear. However these are both UPVC again and if absolutely necessary, both of those rooms can be sealed off internally if required. Obviously, I'm also not just going to be standing there whilst someone tries to break their way in. I have a range of (legal) items that are stored as emergency weaponry. If we had got to a point where people were trying to break in (so obviously a very serious break down of society) - I am confident in there use and they would sustain seriously or fatal injuries.
Fortunately my other windows are secure or small enough that they won't be an issue.

It won't stop necessary stop a determined mob of people hell bent on getting in, but it would make the average joe think twice. I also don't advertise my prepping (except anon such as here) so no one would really have a reason to target my address unless it was a random search for food/water. They are the people I should be able to scare off.

Thanks occasionally! I do worry about a breakdown of law and order, and what it would mean for ordinary people. Quite worrying really.

I know I am not much of a match for a determined mob. If I desperately have to leave and no chance of getting to nearby in laws (or there's isn't safe), I have camping gear and know some reachable (on foot) spots. I also make sure I have never less than half a tank of fuel in the car and we know the area pretty well tomake a run for it by car.
Weirdly, I was actually thinking about what would we do if we had to flee the country- actually something my great grandparents did.
Boat to Ireland with our Irish passports, I guess.

As for what I would do in Ireland. I have some practical skills which I guess would help earn a crust and not be a burden. Not saying what they are for fear of outing.

I feel deeply uncomfortable about staying in this country at the moment. But I’m not sure where I would go if I left. From my point of view our biggest threat at the moment is mass migration due to climate change. It’s already happening and will increase hugely over the next few years. I don’t mean the few immigrants coming over here and ‘stealing our jobs’, it more like hundreds of millions of people who will find their home countries uninhabitable. Europe will suffer more than us to start with I imagine but the UK isolating itself with Brexit isn’t going to be great.

I do have a fairly healthy prepped supply kit. I also have a boat that I could live on with dc’s for a few weeks, but I don’t think being at sea would be any safer than being on land. I want to build a bunker but dh says that would be a step too far in indulging my paranoia.

@PreppingPrat - then your plan is to bug in.
Slowly acquire some bush crafting knowledge which, (if you're like me) you may well be crap at in real life. Focus on Plan A and tinker with Plans B and C etc.

Sounds like there are some bushcraft wonder folk near you but don't compare yourself to them. Or, think about ways you could be useful to them. Looking at it coldly, how long would it take people who are utterly useless but scary to get to you? Sounds like a while.
No one is the perfect all singing all dancing prepper. I bet you have some fab skills and knowledge but you probably don't even realise it. Make the best of what you have.
I know that there are loads of important things I realistically can't do. But plenty I can.

If it appears to be sound information and you trust the person and believe that they are actually in a true position to have insider information (rather than just grapevine stuff) plus you have the ability to leave (i.e somewhere to actually go to) then I'd leave. Why wouldn't you?

We have no overseas connections and no overseas passports. We are stuck here and would always bug in.

Any clues as to your tip off. Are we all about to die of the plague or is this economic turmoil stuff (which many of us are prepping for anyway)

@cloudtree I literally know v little more myself...So could be either or something totally different, though I personally doubt plague and have my own suspicions.

That also largely answers why I'm not definitely going on basis of it. I don't have anything solid to put a case forward to my family to persuade them to leave everything and go. All I have is the fact I know the person who told me definitely does have credible routes to which they could access such information and they've told me things in the past that I was very sceptical about but which turned out completely true. They were also very concerned when they came to see me and gave me no feeling at all to doubt them, but still couldn't give anything really concrete. Which seems a bit crazy, until you weigh up everything and then think is it so crazy really. To my family it would be though.

Actually I'm not sure we would be able to go either but it would be good to at least make plans. Cant decide if I'm just worrying totally unnecessarily though.

If they're truly bothered enough that they are urging you to leave then they would tell you why. I wouldn't be uprooting myself and my family without much more detail.

So this person with the 'inside info', have they up and left the country?
Also interested to know what other things they told you in the past which came true?

Also how do you know that the country you would go to is in any better position: unless your mate is Putin I don’t think they will have the inside track on all the countries in the world. It could very well be out of the frying pan, in to the fire. Plus, look at how many countries treat refugees these days, they don’t exactly welcome them with open arms!

One thing I'm planning to do in January is scanning all my crucial documents and putting them on a thumb drive. I got one that can go on my key ring. And I'll do spares.
I'm trying to keep my prepper key ring to a minimum, though. Never leave home without it.

So, if you got a 'tip off' from someone with very good inside info and that you trusted 90% - that you should be seriously considering not only prepping but taking your family and leaving the UK, permanently

@myotheraccountsa, who is this person? Can you tell us what work they do/how they've come by this info? 😱

I don't do "conspiracy theories" , op. I don't have a lot of respect for people that do. You saying that you were looking to post on that kind of thread first automatically makes me disbelieve the notion.