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ArcoIris · 27/11/2009 21:42

Hi, I've been thinking of changing hospitals to Homerton Hospital but I have been looking through a thread from 2008 and a report (jan 2008) on BBC news which mentions Homerton Hospital as providing the worst maternity care.

I am now very concerned about changing hospitals.

Therefore I was wondering if anyone has had any bad/good recent experiences.

Thank you very much

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Sabs1981 · 11/12/2009 10:12

arcoiris I have been meaning to reply to your post for a while, but have been quite busy - you'll see the reasons why

I gave birth to a baby girl 10 weeks ago at Homerton. To cut a long story short I had a 38 hour labour which ended in an emergency c-section, and losing 3 litres of blood.

The delivery suite at homerton was amazing and the midwives were wonderful. As I was in labour for so long (some of the time was spent at home) I saw a number of midwives and they were all good.

Due to my complications after giving birth I was taken back to the delivery ward for another day before going to the post-natal ward.

The post-natal ward was an abosulute horror. I couldnt wait to get out of there, I practically discharged myself. The majority of midwives there were unhelpful. The first night I was there it was so loud and noisy at night, I asked for a side-room which I had to pay £70 for. They lost my notes and ended up writing it in someone elses notes. I didnt get help bathing the baby or making up formula feeds after the first night I was there (I was unable to breastfeed for various reasons). I also asked for a breastfeeding counsellor and saw no-one. They also kept the bandage on my scar for longer than they should have. I had to remind them to take it off!

I've been told by many, including staff who work there, that I should write up my experiences and send it to the Head of Midwifery. It's all about finding the time though. I still need to write up my birth story for MN.

I really dont know if I'll be having any more babies there. Its my closest hospital and like I said, the delivery suite was great. I also had a mmc last year and was treated at the EPAU there and they were great there too. They are opening up a new maternity wing there next year so maybe things will change. However my mum had my brother there 16 years ago and encountered similar problems in the post-natal ward, as have many people I know.

runawayquickly · 11/12/2009 10:26

I had DS at Homerton but that was ten years ago now... Mixed report on them. I found some of the midwives absolutely wonderful and really helpful but the anaesthetist was truly horrible - she'd been working all day and night and was not amused to be called out of bed again when her epidural hadn't worked. Sorry love - not my fault!
I also found the ward noisy and had a side room that I had to pay for. But to be honest I think hospitals are busy places and you're going to get that wherever you go.
What are your other options? Whipps X? King George? (My sister gave birth just after I did and when I visited King G I was shocked at how much more busy and noisy it was than Homerton.)
Good luck with your choice - I think birth is such a different experience for everyone and for each negative experience in one place you'll get an opposite report.
HOpe it goes just the way you want it!

yangymac · 11/12/2009 10:44

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designerbaby · 11/12/2009 13:12

Arco: I had my DD at the Homerton 2 years ago... As with most hospitals it's a bit of a case of the good, the bad and the ugly. Brace yourself, this is going to be a long-un.

The good:

? We were referred to the Homerton after our 12 week scan showed several soft markers for a severe chromosomal abnormality. The FMU was brilliant, gentle supportinve and reassuring. We felt in the very best of hands.

? The midwives I had with me throughout my very long labour were all, without exception, fantastic. Supportive of my desire not to have a C-section and helped me to find techniques to keep my labour progressing. Kept my spirits up when I was feeling like giving up. Reassured me when things got a bit scary.

? My DH was permitted to stay with me throughout the process - many of my friends had their DHs sent home and were left to labour alone - this was never even mentioned.

? I did manage to avoid a C-section which was my very ardent wish - I think many hospitals would have put me under more pressure to have one, I felt I was given time to progress and the opportunity to have the vaginal birth I wanted.

? When they finally decided that DD needed to be delivered, right then, in theatre, by forceps or whatever it took, (she'd passed Meconium) there suddenly seemed to be loads of staff around, anaesthetists, extra midwives, paediatricians etc. I really felt like my baby would be a good hands.

The bad:

? Antenatal check-ups friendly but brisk and perfunctory. No real opportunity to properly discuss concerns. I only realised how it could be now that I'm at a different hosp. for this pregnancy and have appts. which last more than 5 minutes and midwives able to spend the time to talk through issues properly.

? Very insistent that I be induced when the 2 weeks allotted overdue time was up. No if buts or maybes.

? I was very concerned that DD was big - I looked huge. This concern was never taken seriously - midwives kept saying "on the small side of average". DD ended up at 9lbs 8oz... considering I'm a small-framed 5ft 1in it would have been helpful to all if I'd been able to have a later scan (as I repeatedly requested) so we all better knew what we were dealing with.

? Consultants efficient but very unfriendly... I felt like a cow, not a person. Would sweep in, do a very rough internal say "You're STILL only 4cms" or whatever and bugger off...

? When things kicked off as mentioned above, I really didn't feel like anyone was talking to me about what was happening and it very much felt like it was being done to me, rather than with me... This sounds like a minor thing, but actually it was quite distressing.

? My cathetar was wrongly inserted, so no fluid was draining from it... They kept saying it was because i wasn't drinking enough, depsite the fact that was was drinking litres of water as instructed. No-one noticed that my whole body was filling with fluid and my legs were rapidly become the size of elephants... My edema lasted 3 weeks.

? Post natal ward was bloody awful. Despite the fact that I'd been in labour (and awake for three days and had a lot of damage) no midwife checked on me or how I was doing in the entire 24 hours I had to endure until I could get out of there.

? Got shouted at for bleeding on the floor, when, having had my catheter removed at 2am (and despite still not having feeling in my legs) I tried to get myself to the toilet. I asked for help and a midwife looked up from her station and said "it's over there". I said I was scared (has had extended third degree tear amongst other horrors) and she said "you can get a jug from the cupboard from the hall to pour water on yourself if you think it's going to sting". Think it was going to sting?!? I though my whole bloody insides were going to fall out and was terrified and sobbing. I was still bleeding a lot, and when she noticed there was a trail of blood following me she SHOUTED "For God's sake use a maternity towel - I'll have to clear that mess up!". I had been awake for 3 days, had a traumatic birth and could barely stand, let alone notice if I happened to be bleeding on the floor...

? NO breast-feeding support available... I was woken again at 5am and told I needed to feed my baby, but no-one actually showed me how or checked I was doing it right or anything. I was very lucky in that DD and I managed to get the hang of it on our own... Throughout the whole of the next day I was concerned I wasn't doing it right, but was told there wasn't anyone around who could help.

? Was given only paracetamol for the pain I was in - HV managed to get some stronger stuff for me a couple of days later, when it was clear I wasn't coping.

? In short couldn't get out of there fast enough... horrible, horrible post-natal ward... The only midwives who showed any concern were two of the ones who had been with me in labour who popped in to see how I was doing on their coffee breaks... They were honestly the only ones who spoke to me.

The ugly:

? Now this is REALLY serious. I was induced using an un-licensed drug called Misoprostol (usually used for treatment of ulcers and for terminations). I wasn't informed of the risks, or that it differed in any way from the normal prostins other than that it is given orally. I have since discovered there are some serious concerns about the off-label use of this drug for induction of labour. I do not feel I was able to give proper 'informed consent' because I wasn't properly informed of the risks of this drug.

I was given two doses and after the second my waters broke and everything really kicked off (had been having moderate contractions for several hourse before that). Managed for about 6 hours on gas an air, breathing and moving through them, but then I experienced what I now suspect was some kind of uterine hyperstimulation ? as in there stopped being any breaks in contractions depsite the fact I was only 2cm dilated. I don't remember much about the next 4-5 hours but my husband spent this time trying to get someone to find out what was going on and get me some help. Eventually this came with a change of consultant, who saw something was wrong and got me down onto the delivery ward to get something (IV) to control the contractions and an epidural. Things were more manageable after that but I had to labour with the eipdural for another 18 hours.

DD passed significant meconium sometime after all this, possibly due to distress, and apparently this is also more common with Misoprostol than other forms of induction.

I've since found out that Uterine hyperstimulation is more common with this drug than other forms of induction. Given that I'm quite shocked I wasn't more closely monitored and that DH had to fight so hard to get me some help when things were clearly not right.

Given that uterine hyperstmulation can be very bad for both baby and mother, I feel both very blessed that we both survived with so few after-effects, and very angry that I was given the drug in the first place and wasn't closely monitored after I had been.

I think this is inexcusable and won't be going back to the Homerton again.

I appreciate this is a very specific set of circumstances, but just wanted to give you as full a picture as I can. I think possibly if you have a 'normal' labour and delivery then the Homerton's midwives will probably ensure your birth experience is a very good one.

I don't know if the prescription of Misoprostol is standard there, or if I was just unlucky, but I thought it important that you be aware of the practice, should you end up going for induction there.

There's no bloody excuse for the post natal experience though. None whatever, IMO.

Sorry this is so long, hope i haven't scared you too much... I think, in reality there are probably tales to tell like this from every maternity unit in the UK... Still, wanted you to be as fully informed as possible. If it's your closest hospital why don;t you try and discuss your concerns with them the next time you go along? Things may well have improved in the last two years.

db
xx

Sabs1981 · 11/12/2009 13:20

designerbaby i gave birth 10 weeks ago at the Homerton and can say that things have definately not changed in the post-natal ward!

But I agree with others, I have been told that many post-natal wards in London are the same.

I am so glad I had the majority of my ante natal appointments at my local children's centre, as when I did have to go for some of the appointments at Homerton, I had to wait, on average 1-2 hours and the appointments were very impersonal, whereas at the childrens centre I saw the same midwives, who also came to see me in the delivery suite. The delivery midwives also came to see how I was getting on.

krugerparkrules · 11/12/2009 13:27

i agreee with others - had my dd at homerton, due to a few things we had to be monitored and the whole experience was great - completely looked afater, lovely midwifes anad doctors ...

unfortunately had to stay in hopsital and it that part was dreadful, i was literally thrown into a bed at about 4 in morning, still in nightgown, and told to get on with things!!! Completely unhelpful, noisy, lights on, i couldnt wait to get out

but the plus side is that the actual birthing part was great, send big basket of goodies to all staff involved and couldnt have any better care

i would steer clear of the ward afterwards and if possible book ito a private room - o got no sleep in 3 days i was there!!!

muddler · 11/12/2009 17:26

I had a similar experience to designerbaby (2 years ago too, maybe we passed each other in the corridor!). I also had the unlicensed drug given to me with a wink by the consultant .
The postnatal care was hideous. DS was in special care being monitored for heart rate worries for a couple of days so one or two midwives were civil to me, but other than that they were rude, unhelpful and incompetent.
I had to beg for antibiotics for a UTI, beg for a blood test which found I was seriously anaemic and begged for 36 hours for the actual tablets to treat both.
But they managed to mix up meds charts and gave me drugs for post-cs pain!
Labour ward midwives were lovely, if 'efficient', but the post natal care is shocking. I never complained, I just wanted to go home and forget about it.
Am 7 wks pg now and planning to go to UCH, nothing can be worse than Homerton!

designerbaby · 11/12/2009 17:51

Muddler - A fellow Nov 2007 grad? Congrats on your 7 week bean!

Just out of interest, how did you get on with the Misoprostol? I'm now 26 weeks with number 2 and thinking about what I'd do if I went overdue again...

Any adverse effects? I've read some horror stories, but not sure how much of my problems were due to that drug or just that my body didn't like induction...

You're the only person I've come across on here who's had it... What information were you given about it at the time, do you remember?

In a funny way it's reassuring to hear that others thought the post-natal care was shocking there - in weaker moments one tends to wonder if you're just being over-sensitive, or they thought you were making a fuss over nothing or whatever...

Sorry for the hijack Arco...

db
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hackneyzoowithbellson · 11/12/2009 17:57

I ended up having a home birth, but all my ante natal care was at homerton and it was great. I had a few complications in pregnancy and the consultants I saw were very thorough and reassuring. The head of midwifery was also excellent and answered all my queries personally.
I have heard from friends that the labour ward is good (think they are also opening a MLU soon) but the postnatal care is a bit hit and miss.
The community midwife team were ok for postnatal care, but there was no support on offer for BFing , so I just had to get on with it.
I looked at WHipps Cross and Royal London as alternatives when I was planning on a hospital birth and TBH Homerton came out on top from my point of view.
Good luck with your pregnancy and making a decision.

TwinkleToes76 · 11/12/2009 18:51

Hackneyzoo - did you have a home birth using Homerton midwives? I am pregnant with my second and going to be moving to Hackney next year and would love another home birth but keep being told it's not the easiest thing to arrange with Homerton. What's your secret??!!

hackneyzoowithbellson · 11/12/2009 19:14

Twinkle- The community midwives did the homebirth, I guess they are attached to Homerton but a completely different team to the ones who work on the wards. They were lovely, and very supportive. I arranged it through the head of midwives, Phillipa Cox, who was great, as I had a few complications, so needed the go ahead from her. But couldn't fault the experience. I did have to be quite firm and clear about what I wanted, but there was actually no resistance.

TwinkleToes76 · 11/12/2009 19:59

That's reassuring to hear HZ! Thanks.

Bexybear · 11/12/2009 22:17

I was a bit unsure whether to post on this thread ? I had a horrific experience in the Homerton but thought much of that was just bad luck rather than the hospital although the post natal ward is notoriously awful ? the night midwives on my ward gave formula bottles to all the babies with barely any consent from the mothers in order to ?help the baby sleep? i.e. stop them crying. I wouldn?t have been surprised if they popped some gin in with formula...

BUT Im posting because i was horrified to read designerbabies post specifically the UGLY section and think it is worth highlighting this issue at the Homerton. I think something similar happened to me when DS was born 5 years ago.

I accepted a place on a clinical trial for oral progesterone(maybe similar to drug designerbaby took)to ?help me go into labour?. This was three days before my scheduled induction. I got absolutely no information about the drug and was certainly not told of any of the risks (i found these out afterwards) which frankly amounts to malpractice. They persuaded me onto the trial by telling me if i went into labour at home I could have a home birth which was a complete lie as they then insisted on going ahead with the prostoglandin gel induction 3 days later although I was already in early labour.

The rest of the delivery was hideous. I was in such a state I couldn?t speak and DS was in trouble right from the beginning (meconium in waters heart not recovering from contractions). I was wired up to a monitor and forced to labour on the bed (DS also posterior). Like designerbaby there were certainly no gaps between contractions,(am about to look up hyperuterine stimulation on the web) I really thought i was going to die..

Got no midwife support despite being monitored, the obstetric nurse just watched the monitor and ignored me. No one offered me pain relief other than gas and air and given that the pain was so bad i couldn?t actually speak it wasn?t possible to discuss my situation.

Eventually rushed in for EMCS which failed as they couldn?t get the epidural in my back. Delivered DS by ventouse. Had PTSD and then post natal depression. No one at the hospital linked to the clinical trial ever came to see me afterwards and explain what had happened.

Sorry for the long post ? Having said all that I doubt Homerton is generally any worse than most busy London hospitals (though my goodness they were not keen on homebirths) BUT for god sake whatever hospital it is don?t touch any clinical trials or other drugs offered if you don?t understand exactly what they are and maybe think about a doula... You can never have too many good midwives but you can certainly have too few.

fufulina · 12/12/2009 19:21

I had my DD at the Homerton a year ago. I had planned a home birth, and had community antenatal care - all excellent.

I didn't want to be induced, and ended up going to 43 weeks (they were quite happy to monitor me after 42 weeks). At my second monitoring appointment post-42 weeks, DD had completely disengaged and the consultant (a woman) recommended a planned c-section. As an induction had a high risk of ending in an EMCS. She said "I recommend this as a woman who has had two vaginal briths - one at home". I trusted her. I went with it (cried buckets of course) and had the c-section the next day.

The team were incredible - the midwife who was with us was brilliant and did everything she could to help us get the birth we wanted - so different to the homebirth I'd imagined! But it really was an incredible experience.

The post-natal ward was fine. Like others have said - it was noisy, hot and by day 3, I was ready to tear my eyes out with it (but sure that would be the same anywhere to be honest). It was a struggle getting discharged 2 nights after the c-section, but we did it and were fine. Post-natal care at home was great - the same midwives I'd been seeing all the way through.

So - like most posters, a mixed bag, but I came away from it all with a very positive frame of mind.

muddler · 12/12/2009 22:02

designerbaby I just googled that drug and it is pretty horrifying how risky it is! I didn't even know the name of it. A consultant gave me half a tablet to swallow at midnight and said it is unlicensed but they find it effective (didn't tell me the name at all) and I just took it without question. Nothing happened at all until lunchtime next day when she came back to break my waters then I started having contractions every minute. 0 - 60 is 5 seconds! Didn't dilate at all so went on drip later that afternoon.
So I guess the tablet didn't have an effect, but how on earth can a hospital give an unlicensed drug to ANY patient with no consent form, info on side effects, etc? I had completely forgotten about it until this thread!
Sorry for the hijack folks
And was an October 2007 grad

Poach · 03/06/2010 18:27

Hi everyone, I just want to post my experience at Homerton hospital and to give them credit where due. My labour wasn't straight forward - labour pains started on a Fri am and baby came out via emergency c section on the following Mon pm after all other alternative vaginal delivery options exhausted.

I found the facilities and staff care of the delivery ward second to none. I went through 3 shifts of midwives (19hrs spent in the delivery suite) and found all to be excellent - competent in skill and sensitive to my emotional needs. Special thanks to my main wife, Precious and student midwife, Martha.

The anethetists down to the drs and rest of surgical team carrying out the c section were amazingly efficient. I felt I was in good hands all the way.

Recovery Ward - My initial experience with the midwives/nurses here weren't so good. Immediately after the c section I was barely able to look after myself so needed assistance with changing baby. My first 2 encounters gave me the impression they weren't so willing to help, I was even told off. However, over my 5 day stay (due to precautionary observation on both my part and baby) my opinion did change. The recovery ward can get busy so you don't get the attention you think you ought to have. It's also noisy when the ward is full, can't be helped - i got used to it in the end. I found most of the staff caring and put down the odd bad encounter with a midwife down to a bad day at work.

Overall, my experience was a good one and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Homerton hospital.

ciab · 03/03/2011 17:12

I am due next week, so far I've received care from the Homerton Hospital Team, I had reservations about the hospital from day 1. I initially asked my doctor if I could have my care transferred elsewhere, he recommended that I didn't, I heeded his advice and have had the worst care possible. Homerton hospital's culture is Disorganised, Unprofessional and Lacks Communication. At 34 weeks I thought about transferring my care to the Whittington, but decided it was too short notice, now with one week to my due date I'm reconsidering. This is my first pregnancy and I think the care I've received so far with the exception of a few individuals has been inadequate, is the care I should expect, should it be questioned? How did some of the midwives actually qualify as midwives?! The receptionists are by far the worst you will come across in the country. I would never recommend to the Homerton. So far reeviews of the Whittington have been better and more consistent than those of Homerton. I know with Homerton you can only stay, once you've had your baby for a maximum of 6 hours(providing its a normal birth) Can anyone tell me how long you stay for in the Whittington and what visitation hours are like??

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