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Watch this documentary film about childbirth in the USA , it's fascinating

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kookiegoddess · 18/06/2008 10:56

Mummy to be here plainning on homebirth, and just read that Ricki Lake has been "slammed" for suggesting in her docu "The business of being born" that hospital births could be problematic and for championing home births.

You can watch the documentary here and I'd be realised to hear what you all think. I've just started watching it and was shocked that some American women wouldn't consider having a midwife at their birth, they'd rather have a doctor!!

I think this is relevant to all mumsnetters out there.

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Tinkerisdead · 18/06/2008 13:13

I watched this yesterday as my independant midwife had a screening to raise funds. i found it really fascinating. i'm already planning a home birth but its really helped to equip me as to why i want a home birth and to battle on when faced with the "its not safe" comments. i asked my DH to watch it too... only prob is dont watch it with your back door open when neighbours are in the garden as the moaning and "oh yes, oh yes" can easily be mistaken for porn!!!!

2beautifulgirls · 18/06/2008 16:20

Thank you for that. I knew that the USA leaned towards more medicalised care of pregnancy and birth however i didn't realise just how much.
I am currently reading Ina May gaskins book Spiritual midwifery. We are moving next year from the UK to the US and i have been looking into Midwifery courses in the US as it is something i feel very passionate about.

muminCT · 18/06/2008 16:36

I've had two children over here in the US and third is on the way.

Things are very different. You only get a midwife if you choose everyone I know over here uses doctors.

I've chosen midwives for all three of mine. My first the doctors ended up delivering just because he was born at 35 weeks and midwives won't deal with early births.

The 2nd my midwife delivered in the hospital, but jacked me up big time and I still ended up seeing the doctor on call.

This time round has been a pain the butt.

My first two were born in Hawaii. This one we are in CT. I had no idea who I wanted to see or where I wanted to be seen.

A friend told me about the OB/GYN clinic that delivered her babies. So I decided to go with them. Big mistake!! This is how my appointment went, I was already 25 weeks and waited 8 bloody weeks for this appointment.

"He starts oh wow we need to send you off for the Spina Bifida test right away, this week is the last week you can be tested for it. I told him no that's fine I don't need it, neither me or my husband want to know. Plus the chances are pretty slim as neither of us have a history on either side of the families. He tells me that's fine but the doctors like to know what is going on so they know what to deal with when the baby is born. I was like ok, but I don't want to be tested. It has never been an issue before. I have always refused it before and know lots of people who do to.

He then says oh we need to get you in for the Glucose Test too. I said no that's fine I don't need that either. He puts his paper work down and looks at me and says I think you may need to find yourself a new doctor. You obviously have your own idea's and plans and we have are own too. I was like hmm ok. I was very shocked.

He asks me why I didn't want this test and I explained without being rude. I told him I had done a lot of research and spoke to a lot of other doctors and didn't seem it necessary. Also if I was back home I would not be routinely checked for it unless I had symptoms and yet thousands of healthy babies are born everyday over there. Also in New Zealand and Australia.

He told me well sorry your not over there are you and you should live by the laws of the land. I felt like slapping him. I then got a bit pissed and the law student in me rolled out. I told him that was a bit contradictory as not every state in this country practices it routinely anyway. Plus lots of doctors and nurses find the test stupid and unreliable as so many false positives come up everyday.

Basically he told me that if I didn't have the tests done before my next appointment don't bother coming back. I was like what the hell happened to womens right and choosing what I want for me and my baby.

I was so pissed!! My husband was going mad and said he does not want some jack arse delivering our baby. My mother was in complete shock! She said it was like going back in 50 years ago in England when the doctor's made every decision and the mothers made none. She also said being a clinic of all males doctors they probably didn't like a woman walking in there and telling them what she wanted and actually knowing what she was talking about. My mother in law was super pissed and wanted to call him up and give her a piece of her mind, which was kinda funny."

The thing is lots of doctors over here are like that. I've since found myself a very nice clinic of midwives and female doctors. They are very open about letting me choose and being their to support me.

The routinely check you over here for everything. You have blood taken every few months, everyone has a routine glucose test, everyone gets a routine pap smear. Its crazy. Once in hospital they hook yo up to fetal monitors, I've gone natural both times yet they still wanted to stick an IV in me just so I had an open line! I was like no way!

My midwife this time round has said she would recommend I have an open line in the back of my hand when i begin pushing just because I hemorrhaged last time, which is fair enough.

But I do wish I could deliver back home things would be so much easier and less stressful.

ilovemydog · 18/06/2008 16:46

We are so lucky here (although I'm American, live here and pay taxes...)

My cousin had twins the same time as I had DD.

Whereas I had midwife and HV visits, they had to schlep their 2 day old twins to the paedatrician for all the requisite checks.

Where I had help and encouragement to bb, she had to fight at every stage not to have her twins fed formula (As they didn't let the babies stay in same room as mom as she had them by c -section?)

But what you have to remember is that you are limited by your health cover - most plans will not pay for midwives, or so I am told.

muminCT · 18/06/2008 16:56

We are a military family my husband is in the Navy. We are covered by Tricare which normally is pretty good. As long as you have midwives in your area that accept you can use them.

The problem I have found is that even some midwives are too similar to doctors in all they stuff they want you to do. I think it probably has more to do with malpractice more than anything. They are probably just covering their own backs. But I think you should still have the right to choose and if need be sign waivers!!

I can't understand why yours cousins twins weren't allowed to stay in the same room unless they were in the NICU? I've had a few friends deliver by C-section over here and they had their babies with and breastfed.

MKG · 18/06/2008 17:06

I don't know how I feel about it.

I got the impression that Rikki Lake is bitter. She made this movie because she had a bad birth experience with her first and it was in a hospital. So she went to the extreme to show that the only good births are one's with midwives at home. I'm sorry but that is just not true.

I could just as easily go and make a movie about how having a baby in a hospital with either a doctor or a midwife (because I've had both) can be a wonderful experience. And you would all be saying how great the system is.

Divvy · 18/06/2008 17:37

I watch alot of the dicovery health channel, where they show lots of hospital births in America.

One doctor likes to jump on the end of the bed between the birthing mothers thighs when it comes to pushing time...it "almost" looks sexual for him

Most of the woman are flat on there back during 1st stage of labour, and then in 2nd stage the baby is not deliverd it is extracted from them!

Very scary to watch.

expatinscotland · 18/06/2008 17:38

I find it fascinating because I am American, but have never had children there.

expatinscotland · 18/06/2008 17:38

I find it fascinating because I am American, but have never had children there.

muminCT · 18/06/2008 17:47

A lot of women are bed bound which to me seems crazy. One thing I always ask when finding a doctor or midwife is will you let me walk around through labor. If the answer is no, i find a new doctor.

Its more natural to walk around, it helps the baby drop. Delivering on your back is crazy too, when your upwards gravity helps.

expatinscotland · 18/06/2008 17:48

A lot of docs there have some serious attitude problems, yes.

expatinscotland · 18/06/2008 17:50

the term 'control freak' springs to mind when i consider some of them.

i couldn't be arsed dealing with all that insurance bollocks, either.

glad to have had mine in the UK - no. 3 on the way.

MKG · 18/06/2008 18:16

muminCt--you should come down to NJ. My hospital let's you do anything within reason according to your situation. When induced with ds1 the midwife put me on a walking monitor and told me to move around however I wanted. And with ds2 the nurse came in once an hour to check on me and monitor us for 15 minutes, she left me alone the rest of the time though.

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muminCT · 18/06/2008 18:27

Where in NJ are you MKG? I don't think I could make it that far, I'd deliver in the car and my hubby would have heart attack .

ScienceTeacher · 18/06/2008 18:37

I had my last baby in the US with a midwife. The Obstetrician practice near my house employed a midwife, and she was extrememly popular. She did well-women checks as well as antenatal and birth stuff. The way it worked there was that you had to see the two OBs and the midwife in the course of your antenatal, and would be delivered by whoever was on-call if it was out of hours. I refused to be attended by either of the OBs (they were the kind of doctors who thought all you were was an ambulating pelvis), so my midwife came out on her day off (she got a call while she was at the baseball stadium).

My wishes were pretty much followed. I made a birth plan of all the things I didn't want - eg no counting to 10, holding my legs etc. I had no VEs, intermittant monitoring, and moved around freely. The midwife sat in the corner and didn't interfere until the time came. Pandemonium broke out when they realised DD was breech, but she arrived before the doctors.

The only downsides was that homebirth was not allowed (although even if I had booked one, I wouldn't have gone ahead because of the breech), pharmacological pain relief was epidural or nothing, then after the birth, they bugged me every hour for Obs (this was overnight).

Where I lived (southern Ohio), midwives were becoming more popular. This was because there are fewer obstetricians because of litigation. The university courses to turn out midwives were bustling, although most of them were upgrading their LD nurse qualification, so they started out under the medical model.

Overall, I asked for what I wanted and got it. I think the problem is that most women don't think they have the choices, and are happy to go along with whatever the doctor says.

MKG · 18/06/2008 19:14

MuminCt--I'm in a small town in Hunterdon County 45 min from NYC and 60min from Philadelphia.

BorgLady · 18/06/2008 19:28

I was really surprised by this film. I always imagine the US to be at the cutting edge of everything, so to learn they have one of the highest mortality rates was a big shock.

Some of the things mentioned seemed a bit though, like the guy who suggested that having pitocin and/or a cs interfered with the love that women felt for their babies. I am sure there are millions who would disagree!

kookiegoddess · 18/06/2008 19:42

Ended up watching it this morning, blubbed thru every birth, but just found it wonderful to watch how different women coped with childbirth.

MKG I know what you mean about RL sounding a bit bitter, but I think to be fair she's also trying to say that if doctors let women do their own thing in hospital then it wouldn't be so bad. It's the fact that you are confined by the unspoken 12 hour limit for childbirth, the monitoring whether you need it or not, the IV drip "in case" you need meds etc. Just so scary that doctors don't even want to talk about active normal birth taking place in a hospital, they all just want to be in control of everything. As one said, for a doctor, "normal is boring" - I think they just have a tendency to panic and assume the worst then take comfort in administering meds to reassure themselves that they've saved the day.

Sorry rant over.

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Beetroot · 18/06/2008 19:44

what a wonderful and frightening film

I had al mine at home so i reminds me of the amazing experience but some of the ignorance is scary

Beetroot · 18/06/2008 19:50

am now sending this to all my friends

Beetroot · 18/06/2008 19:53

did we in the UK give women that drug which makes them loose their memory?

Pruners · 18/06/2008 19:54

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Beetroot · 18/06/2008 19:55

they mention it in the film - women were strapped to the bed and left

torture