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Feeling stressed out 13 days overdue (sob), don't want induction and don't want to lose my baby either

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pussface · 15/05/2008 16:57

I will be 42 weeks into my 1st pregnancy tomorrow and although I have been so lucky having zero problems throughout the wait is now starting to stress me out and turn me into a nervous wreck .

I have had no braxton hicks, no shows and an examination on Tuesday that gave me a bishops score of 3.

I am losing all hope of having my baby naturally and can't bear the thought of being induced. Is there anyone out there in my position who can relate to this as all the threads I've been reading have everyone willing to be induced to have their babies? Am I just being a coward?

I feel like a lamb being lead to the slaughter of Prostin/ARM/Syntocinon drip. Although the MW I've seen have been lovely and are not pressurising me in the slightest, I can't decide what to do when the call comes for me to go to hospital.

Any advise from someone who's been there would be much appreciated.

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Reesie · 15/05/2008 21:27

I was desperate not to be induced on my first baby as I have a bleeding disorder amd wasn't allowed an epiduaral because of it. I didn't mind being induced if it would have been straight forward with prostin only. However I didn't fancy the syntocinon drip without some serious analgesia!

I was 12 days post dates and considered castor oil but came to my senses and put it in the bin (yes I went as far as going to 3 chemists to buy it - the first two pharmacists sent me away with a flea in my ear )

Previous to this I had LOTS of stretch and sweeps and finally SROM'd at 13 days post dates. I had a beautiful labour with gas and air and pethadine for transition.

Why don't you have a chat with your consultant and arrange an extra 3 days with lots of stretch and sweeps and careful monitoring. It's true that the concern with going over 42 weeks is the risk of placental failure but this can be monitored with either doppler scans or daily CTG's.

kookykid · 15/05/2008 22:21

Going to bed, but keep us all posted on how it goes! Good luck with it all!

pussface · 16/05/2008 09:38

Thank-you for all the positive messages they really helped. I had a relaxing bath and early night last night. Am in a much more positive mood now and have calmed down, baby is jiggling about this morning and I will take your advice on board and remember that I'm in control of what happens to me and this birth. Hopefully I will be making a birth announcement soon! Thanks all xxx

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Alibobster · 16/05/2008 13:47

Pussface, I was induced 15 days after my due date and it wasn't so bad. I had tried every method of bringing on labour, sex, curry, 3 cervical sweeps but nothing worked. The consultant wasn't in a hurry to induce me; the baby's heartbeat was strong so he was happy to keep monitoring me but at that stage I was getting very anxious about baby arriving safely and I had to turn on the tears to be kept in! I wasn't the birth I had dreamed of but at the end of the day I got a 9lb 5oz healthy beautiful boy, which is the most important thing. Good luck x

gillythekid · 16/05/2008 14:12

Hi pussface I think something like 85% of British women go 'overdue', it's such a weird concept as the medical profession here still won't acknowledge that pregnancy is actually 42 weeks (in line with WHO guidelines) Your EDD is just that, an estimation! I can totally sympathise with you're not wanting an induction, you can insist on daily monitoring and a scan to see if baby is presenting correctly. Most babies come when they're good and ready and when mum is relaxed as she can be, don't listen to the horror stories, visualise the birth you want and we'll all hope the best outcome for you and your baby.

cory · 17/05/2008 20:34

I was induced twice and in both cases only needed the gel to get going. However, there were other women in the ward -(I was in for weeks due to health issues)- who did not go into labour with induction and had to keep trying, and my impression was that the hospital were fine about taking their time and not whisking them off to Caesarians just because that's the next step.

I did end up having a Caesarian with my second, but that was because ds's heartbeat went down and he was clearly in distress (and as I said, there were health concerns from the start so not totally unexpected).

TeenyTinyTorya · 17/05/2008 20:48

My induction was a horrible experience, but if you want to go for one, there are ways you can make it easier. It can be a slippery slope once you start to get induced, but if you insist on staying mobile for as long as possible, that will help. My big problem, as a first time mother, was that I felt I couldn't argue with what was happening to me. Be strong, and ask for what you want. Even if you end up with monitors on you and are immobilised a bit, try to keep upright when you come to push. You can ask to kneel up over the back of the bed, which will make the delivery much easier than if you are lying on your back.

However, I was induced, strapped to a bed with monitors, told I WOULD need pain relief, and ended up with an epidural, two hours of pushing, episiotomy, forceps delivery, breastfeeding failure, multiple infections and a burst episiotomy. Not nice. I don't mean to scare you, but I felt very angry about my birth experience, and want you to know that it doesn't have to be like that if you are strong and remember that it is your body and you are in control.

Hope all goes well for you.

toodles · 17/05/2008 21:09

With dd1 went to 41 weeks, ds I went to 42 weeks. With dd2 I went to 42+2. Be extremely thankful that you have a positive midwife. I was pressured into an induction by one midwife at the hospital but declined crying on the phone to the induction unit midwives. The midwife there told me to CALM DOWN as stress prevents labour starting. I went into hospital every day during the last week for monitoring but I'm not sure if it was the best thing to do. I think I should have complained about the midwives who I saw at the WANDA clinic because I was given a horror story from one midwife who's baby was 'overcooked' and in distress and also told the day before I actually went into labour - "you could be holding your baby in your arms right now". As if I didn't already know that. I wanted to prevent induction at all costs so those comments did not help any.

When I went into labour at 42+2 baby passed meconium but baby's heartbeat was normal. I had planned a homebirth but midwife wasn't happy because of the meconium and sent me in to Shrewsbury Hospital. Was continuously monitored by extremely efficient nice midwives who didn't bat an eyelid at me being 42+2, unlike Telford midwives who were all doom and gloom. Baby's heartbeat didn't waver. The meconium in baby's case was just a sign of a mature gut. In the end it was a blessing to be transferred to Shrewsbury as I ended up with great midwives who didn't judge my reasons to wait for spontaneous labour. At that point I had lost all trust in Telford community midwives. Also had a relatively easy birth - very painful (obviously), quick - 2.5 hours, but no complications. Placenta was still o.k.

Not convinced with nipple stimulation or sex to start things off. Tried that but nothing happened for me.

Good luck with your decision and hopefully you're in labour RIGHT NOW.

Homebirth sites and midwifery sites can be good. One independent midwife who I 'met' on the site helped me keep my sanity in the last week. I'll try and find the sites and provide links for you.

Again good luck.

toodles · 17/05/2008 21:23

link to Midwifery UK

health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ukmidwifery/

You have to join this group but if you send in a request for urgent help then they'll fast track you. That's what they did for me nearly 3 years ago. you probably don't need this site as you have a supportive midwife but just in case, you can get NHS midwives and Independent Midwives view points on here.

link to Homebirth site (stories of births 42+ weeks)

www.homebirth.org.uk/

Go to Contents and then Overdue. Lots of info.

fabsmum · 17/05/2008 22:13

Have you seen this?
This article was published in THE PRACTICING MIDWIFE (2004 Jul-Aug;7(7):45-6)

Thousands of women in this country with normal pregnancies and healthy babies are being put at risk every day in maternity units across the country. Yet like lambs to the slaughter they pack up their bags and head for the hospital in the belief that the doctors, who instigate the barbaric treatment they are about to undergo, are saving their babies lives.

Many of them then spend the next few days in excruciating pain over and above that what is experienced in normal labour in an effort to drag their unready and unwilling bodies into labour. Their bodies are filled with drugs that may compromise their long-term health so they begin the spiralling cascade of interventions that all too often culminates with entry through the theatre doors.

The women and their families thank the doctors and hospital guidelines for saving them from the problems they had, problems that are often itrogenic in origin. And so the myth, that their bodies are failing them in the one thing women are best at, procuring a future generation, is perpetuated.

To add insult to injury my colleagues, midwives, who by definition of their title should be the protectors of women and babies, help daily to continue this unnecessary practice. Induction of labour for no medical reason has become a socially acceptable procedure.

The N.I.C.E. (National Institute for Clinical Excellence 2001) Guidelines are the gold seal that have been adopted with open arms and are now governing practice in maternity units throughout the country. The Induction of Labour (IOL) is one such guideline and one that recently instigated a rather heated conversation between a hospital antenatal clinic midwife and myself. Her role as head of the clinic involved speaking to many women who were booked for induction and therefore she was in a very responsible position to give true and unbiased information about IOL to large numbers of woman.

I had telephoned the clinic to arrange an ultrasound scan for a client who was 42 weeks pregnant with her second baby. The pregnancy was normal. The client was very well informed and despite knowing there was no evidence to support fetal surveillance had decided on a scan to check the well being of her baby. Social pressure had made her feel that she needed to "do something" and this course of action, she felt, at least appeased her family, friends and neighbours. What she did emphasise to me was that she did not want to be put under any pressure by anyone to be induced and this I clearly explained to the midwife I conversed with. I asked her to pass that information on to the midwife in charge; an appointment was made for 2 days hence. The following morning I received a letter from the midwife in charge. The letter informed me that a review of the hospital notes made the clients dates "wrong" and stated "in accordance with N.I.C.E Guidelines on post maturity, no woman should go over 42 weeks".

After reading the letter my client, feeling that was this was just the pressure she did not want to subject herself to, lost all faith in the maternity unit. She understandably felt that she would not be given the respect to make her own decisions especially as, without meeting her, judgment had been passed on her by the professions from which she had requested help. Also she must be a stupid woman after all if she knew when she got pregnant! She cancelled the appointment.

The guidelines of course do not say what the midwife had stated. The letter left me in no doubt that this head of antenatal clinic not only had not read the guidelines but also more worryingly had put her own interpretation on them. If this is but one example of how they are being used to manipulate and lie to women what hope do women and society have of knowing the truth and making an informed choice?

Following the publication, in Canada, (Hannah 1992) of the largest Randomised Controlled Trial (RCT) to date concerning induction of labour and further meta-analysis of other RCT The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) adopted of the policy of offering induction at 41 weeks. This is now the recommendation of what is regarded as gold standard, The National Institute for Clinical Excellence (N.I.C.E) Guidelines.

However what is not widely known by obstetricians and midwives alike is that all the studies used to govern today?s practice was and is based on 8 babies! In the case of induction of labour, the number of babies that died following their mothers being induced versus the numbers of babies that died following their mothers left to proceed with pregnancy beyond 41 weeks. There were approximately 3000 women in the IOL group and 3000 in the expectant management group.

One baby died in the IOL group and 7 died in the expectant management group.

Hey presto it is obvious then many babies? lives will be saved if we offer to induce every woman over 41 weeks.

Does anyone care about looking at the wider picture?

I was taught as a student nurses on diploma courses at the very beginning of my education not to use research that is more than 10 years out of date to underpin my practice. Yet to govern and recommend practice affecting thousands of women and babies, many of the RCT in the Meta analysis used to compile the N.I.C.E Guidelines are more than 20 years out of date, some of the studies even 40 years old. Whilst the way women grow and birth babies has not changed in millions of years, the ways our health as a nation and the ways in which maternity care is delivered and received certainly has. Never more so than in the last 40 years. We now have testing and screening so that abnormalities can be detected earlier fetal surveillance is available for at risk babies and the appropriate care free and accessible to all women.

If we do indeed look at the wider picture we see a whole new one emerging. Of the seven babies that died, two occurred in the 1960?s one of which had a suspected diabetic mother. Hardly a good inclusion criteria in a controlled trial by today?s standards. One baby had pneumonia that is irrelevant to induction of labour. One from a Chinese study that the baby had Meconium aspiration following refusal of induction of labour by its mother after a positive amnioscopy. Another from Meconium aspiration at 43+3 weeks, which would not have any bearing of induction at 41 weeks. One was from a placental abruption, which could occur at anytime. One was a baby of 2.6 grams and clearly growth retarded and the mother had received no antenatal care, (Menticoglou and Hall 2002).

Based on these finding where is the evidence that there is an increased risk of unexplained still birth at 41 weeks? How are the benefits to the 20-25% of women and babies that are being daily induced being demonstrated?

How are we as professionals informing women of the risks of induction of labour versus continuing the pregnancy? Are women given the information in a true and unbiased manner? I doubt it. Just as women are only told the "risks" around birth when they are planning a home birth but conveniently not told the many more risks associated with going into hospital. A woman screened for having a Downs Syndrome baby is informed that if she has a risk factor of less that 1:250 she is a low risk and further action not recommended and yet at 41 weeks gestation she is offered (if indeed it is an offer) IOL because the (very dubious) risk of increased stillbirth is 1:1000.

In a detailed review of the literature Menticoglou (2002) also highlighted details of a women who died in a hospital awaiting treatment for what appeared to be fulminating eclampsia. She was waiting because the wards were full and busy. As many midwives know the wards are often full to capacity and often due to the amount of routine induction of labours that are on going at any one time. Where do women and babies such as these two who died feature in the calculation of risk?

Other than the Hannah trial no further studies were looked at in depth for taking into account when devising the N.I.C.E guidelines. There are other good retrospective studies looking at this subject. Many that shows a substantial increase in the caesarean section rate for routine induction of labour and no significant difference in neonatal outcomes for women and babies that are left alone to continue with healthy pregnancies. The cost to the maternity services must be phenomenal. A cost that could be put to far better use. Money that could spent on improving services so that midwives come back to the profession. Then women and babies who ARE at risk from on going pregnancies may well be highlighted appropriately through good antenatal care instead of a hurried 10 minutes at each antenatal visit and routine induction for all!

We also must not forget the baby in the whole process because it too plays its part in the instigation of labour. The baby is not a passive receiver of the labour process and induced earlier may not have the readiness for labour itself. The biggest reason of all (22%) given in the National Sentinel Caesarean Section Audit (RCOG 2001) was fetal distress. Even given the many wrong diagnosis of fetal distress that exist how many of these babies were induced before they were ready to be born.

Routine induction of labour has become a socially acceptable norm. It is time we professionals, we who are the instigators of what over time becomes "normal" in women and societies eyes, stop this barbaric treatment and give back to women the respect that they and natures deserve.

nappyaddict · 21/05/2008 11:54

any news? what did the hospital say to daily monitoring?

Highlander · 21/05/2008 16:02

45% of inductions in a first-time pregnant mum end up as an emergency CS.

It makes my blood boil that women are BULLIED by midwives into medically uncessary inductions at 41 weeks.

kookiegoddess · 21/05/2008 16:46

A fascinating thread and really helpful to read. I'm 20 weeks and hoping for a home birth, I'm very concerned as pussface is about having to be induced if I'm overdue as I feel quite negative about giving birth in hospital (it's my first baby after miscarriage). All these encouraging words will hopefully help me to remain confident as I approach the big day. What an amazingly supportive bunch you all are!

Also, great article from fabsmum - will make a point of chatting to my midwives about going overdue and protocol etc.

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