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Declining antenatal care

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Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 14:37

I've declined midwife appts,I had a call last week to try and change my mind and another today,I feel coerced and bullied,patronised and ignored,I'm 20 weeks today and just want to be left alone, considering not going to my 20 week scan now too, the 13 week one wasn't a pleasant experience either and I feel very anti NHS,tho I don't have funds for complete private care, just feeling very emotional atm

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SouthLondonMum22 · 14/11/2024 16:54

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 16:48

Blood tests to check blood group and rhesus status which shockingly bought was the same as a year ago in my last pregnancy, sweeps are another off the top off my head

Sweeps can be declined without resorting to refusing all prenatal care.

Dabralor · 14/11/2024 16:54

There are millions of women across the world who would give their right arm for the antenatal care you're rejecting.

If this is what you want to do, then fair enough. As long as you could face the consequences in the event things go wrong and be able to look your baby in the eye then, crack on I suppose.

I couldn't imagine anything worse but I'm not you.

TheTruthICantSay · 14/11/2024 16:54

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 16:14

Well surely the cord could wrap itself round the baby's neck at any point in the 10 weeks between appointments, and a midwife appointment wouldn't pick that up, you have a scan at 20 weeks then nothing until the end,surely they wouldn't leave u that long if it wasn't safe to do so?

I was going other tell you the story of DD's cord wrapped around her neck, but I can' tbe bothered. I will tell you that the careful monitoring they were doing made all the difference.

You can choose to cancel care. But I'd say your responses and thinking suggest that you need some help for anxiety and depression as well as normal ante-natal care. The reality is, as many people have pointed out on this thread, there are all kinds of things that could go wrong and that you will not necessarily experience any symptoms. As for a home birth - fine, but are you planning to at least hire a competent midwife who would be able to spot problems?

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 14/11/2024 16:56

I was really well with my DD pregnancy, until suddenly at 38 weeks I wasn't and got pre-eclampsia and DD almost died being born. I had no symptoms, was picked up on my normal antenatal visit. I went on to have it again in my 2nd pregnancy but not my 3rd so previous pregnancies are not an indication of safety.

My sister discovered she had gestational diabetes with her 4th pregnancy, again, no symptoms. We have zero history of this in the family and she had 3 healthy pregnancies before hand.

I really think you are being irresponsible and I just hope your baby is born safe and well despite your negligence.

UsernameNameUser · 14/11/2024 16:57

OP, if you don’t like your team, or have concerns about your treatment, you can raise these concerns and get a new team. IMO, you are not doing your due diligence to your child to ensure optimal safety. Based on your replies, you are over emotional, unwilling to listen and even though you don’t claim to be high risk, your previous post has indicated that medical professionals think otherwise. Additionally, you claim that you know best because you’ve had 2 pregnancies before, but have repeatedly asked for elaboration on very basic things (such as certain conditions not presenting with symptoms). You cannot afford private care, according to your previous posts, and you would be neglecting your basic responsibility as a parent to completely give up the medical care that is being provided for you. If you are as argumentative during appointments as you are in your posts, it’s no wonder your medical team are concerned, and if I were in charge of your case, I would be highlighting your profile as one to potentially refer to social services

Frith2013 · 14/11/2024 16:57

I would also say that this pregnancy will soon pass. Go to these few appointments now and you will never have to bother again - for the rest of your life!

It really is a very short time.

Nanny0gg · 14/11/2024 17:00

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 15:07

I've had one allbeit brief scan and no issues were raised then, screening came back low risk so I can asume all is as well as can be expected

You do know it can change on a sixpence?

Doesn't matter how many babies you've had

Is it really worth the risk?

Reugny · 14/11/2024 17:00

OP many women have posted on this site about private scans.

Unless you are getting the full private treatment the sonographers don't do them properly as they are just for pictures.

haveyouopenedyourbowelstoday · 14/11/2024 17:01

I'd have lost DD if I'd have taken your stance. Horrific pre-eclampsia and I felt really well. Emergency C section they lost her heartbeat.

Babyboomtastic · 14/11/2024 17:01

Urgh. I have a huge phobia of medical stuff and needles. Oh and tokophobia (phobia of pregnancy and childbirth). If I can get through the absolute torture it was to me, to go to the appointments, have every blood test etc, then so can you. To just not be bothered is neglectful and could result in your death (🤷, your risk, your choice) or death or disability to your unborn child.

Overthebow · 14/11/2024 17:02

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 15:19

Food for thought, what happened after discovery if you don't mind me asking?

I also had pre eclampsia, picked up at an antenatal appointment with no symptoms. It can kill both you and baby, I would definitely go to the appointments to get checked.

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/11/2024 17:04

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 15:18

I thought it did cause symptoms

I also had it without any symptoms noticeable to me. It was only picked up with blood pressure test and urine test. They were then able to mange it for a few weeks with medication until my kidneys started to fail. Throughout all of that I felt fine and had no other symptoms.

if it hadn’t been picked up me and baby would have died.

JusteanBiscuits · 14/11/2024 17:04

What was it about the scan at 13 weeks that stressed you out? Did they have concerns and it was that?

I had my first at a time of reduced antenatal appointments as part of a trial. I had booking in at same time as my first scan (13 weeks), another appointment same time as 20 weeks scan, one at 30 weeks, and then 37 weeks, 40 weeks, and 41 weeks..

You can choose what level of care you do, or don't want. But you do need to discuss this with them. I had it written very clearly that I refused induction with my second, and that I would be allowed to go to 43 weeks with monitoring, but I would have a c-section at that point.

Another friend had it in her notes that she didn't want sweeps.

But, you do need to be aware of any additional risks there might be when it comes to birth. A friend, at her 20 week scan, found out she had placenta previa (this didn't show at 13 week scan as placenta move a lot after that point), and so could be closely monitored and have a c-section. So, if you don't have an NHS scan, please do get a private one. Ante natal care nearer your due date becomes vital - checking position of baby, your risk of pre-eclampsia becomes much higher - I had preeclampsia at 41 weeks with my first, and I felt 100% fine, but a urine test and BP test showed up preeclampsia, which meant I was luckily in hospital when I became very ill with it.

BlubBlubImAFish · 14/11/2024 17:04

Oh God, I'm going to have to share this and please know I'm only doing it because your post is ME 7 years ago and I found out the hardest way what a bad idea this is. I'm not, in any way, judging you for your feelings on this or trying to scare you because I've been where you are.

Right. Just going to trigger warning here for anyone else that this includes discussion of baby loss and a very near miss with me dying also.

So I believed (and still do) that antinatal health should never have swapped from the hands of women to the medicalised hands of men. I thought the amount we intervene in birth causes far, far more problems than it solved and causes women to have interventions that lead to trauma etc etc. I imagine you're very familiar with this way of thinking.

Anyway, I consumed A LOT of material on social media that reinforced my beliefs (formula was poison, vitamin K shots were cruel and not needed, scan caused autism. you name it, some of it i took to heart, lots of it I didn't). I'm not saying you are exactly like me OP, I was very extreme.

In 2016 I fell pregnant and at the time, was completely convinced my body was designed to deliver a baby and I didn't need doctors to tell me how my body worked, I was intelligent (believe it or not), well researched and knew my stuff. I booked in with a midwife and decided to have one scan, at 12 weeks, to make sure the pregnancy was developing and after that I wouldn't need anything else. I didn't have screening as I felt even if my child had downs, it wouldnt make any difference in my choices etc etc. I was completely healthy, not classed as high risk and felt confident if anything was wrong, I would know due to symptoms or even just instinct.

At 32 weeks, I went into labor spontaneously. Fine, I thought, early, but natural so therefore fine. Because i was so early, I did decide that we would call an ambulance once baby was born (in our bed) in case she needed oxygen, NICU support or similar due to being premature. I still didnt want any medical support during the birth.

It was quick, about 4 hours in total. She was so tiny. We called the ambulance when it was clear she was going to be out in the next few minutes. They got to us within 20 minutes but she had been dead for at least a day by then.

Lyra had died inside my body due to a common problem with my placenta that, had I been monitored, would have been picked up and treated with aspirin. If i'd been to my midwife appointments, had let them listen to her and measure my bump, they'd have picked up how undersized she was in my 3rd trimester despite the fact she looked fine at 12 weeks and things could have been done to help her. I also had a completely symptom free UTI which they think is what caused me to go into labour. Again, this would have been found on a quick urine test. She died because of me.

I went on to have a severe PPH shortly after she was born. I would have been quite happy to die and sometimes wonder if that would have been the better way of things. Unfortunately though the ambulance team were already there and I spent the next few days in hospital having my life saved by the NHS. I lived and she didnt.

I didnt have a single, solitary symptom of any of it and it was all completely preventable. I've had a lot of counselling I did not deserve and I am now on the other side of the madness of influence i was under to think the way I was thinking. The thought I still go back to whenever I'm tempted to think of the medicalization of birth as a bad thing is this:

Women have given birth for thousands of years without modern medicine, but nearly half of them, and nearly half of their children died in the process. Nothing has changed about womens bodies since then, what changed is medicine.

Honestly OP, as much as i understand and as unlikely as it is that you will be in my position in a few months, that's exactly what I thought, too.

I think about the women who lost their babies of their lives before I did and just think I had the option to avoid all of it and I chose to put my child at risk. What a terrible privilege that is.

Shahhhh · 14/11/2024 17:05

Very strange OP. Each to their own but this is about your baby, not you.

Newposter180 · 14/11/2024 17:05

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 15:11

I would only have medical appointments if medically indicated ie I had symptoms or felt unwell surely if I am unwell I'd feel it? Have symptoms? If the scan didn't pick up problems with he baby how likely is that to then change further down the line,I'm talking congenital or structural abnormalities

Picking up structural abnormalities is literally the purpose of the 20 week scan. Tbh with this attitude I’d anticipate questions over whether you’re a fit mother.

Nanny0gg · 14/11/2024 17:06

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 15:29

I've literally had nothing in either pregnancy, oh actually apart from anemia but I know what that feels like so if I felt aneamic I would get a blood test then,I just don't over medicalisation of pregnancy and birth,unnecessary interventions etc

I don't understand

There are millions of women all over the world who would kill to get half the level of care women get here and you're just turning your back on it for what appears to be no good reason

Do you have family support at all or are you doing this entirely on your own?

Rainbow321 · 14/11/2024 17:06

My neighbour knowly went the whole 9 months without contacting Drs / midwife . She & her partner just rocked up to maternity when she was in active labour . Baby was over 9lb as well !

FuppinNora · 14/11/2024 17:06

On my 2nd DS if I hadn't been attending my antenatal appointments, his placenta issue wouldn't have been picked up and also his low heartbeat. Healthy all the way through, no issues/symptoms. I felt baby was moving fine. If I wasn't attending appointments I would more than likely have been burying my baby.

You say you don't want to attend because there isn't anything medically wrong with you but you have a medical condition.

BB78910 · 14/11/2024 17:07

BlubBlubImAFish · 14/11/2024 17:04

Oh God, I'm going to have to share this and please know I'm only doing it because your post is ME 7 years ago and I found out the hardest way what a bad idea this is. I'm not, in any way, judging you for your feelings on this or trying to scare you because I've been where you are.

Right. Just going to trigger warning here for anyone else that this includes discussion of baby loss and a very near miss with me dying also.

So I believed (and still do) that antinatal health should never have swapped from the hands of women to the medicalised hands of men. I thought the amount we intervene in birth causes far, far more problems than it solved and causes women to have interventions that lead to trauma etc etc. I imagine you're very familiar with this way of thinking.

Anyway, I consumed A LOT of material on social media that reinforced my beliefs (formula was poison, vitamin K shots were cruel and not needed, scan caused autism. you name it, some of it i took to heart, lots of it I didn't). I'm not saying you are exactly like me OP, I was very extreme.

In 2016 I fell pregnant and at the time, was completely convinced my body was designed to deliver a baby and I didn't need doctors to tell me how my body worked, I was intelligent (believe it or not), well researched and knew my stuff. I booked in with a midwife and decided to have one scan, at 12 weeks, to make sure the pregnancy was developing and after that I wouldn't need anything else. I didn't have screening as I felt even if my child had downs, it wouldnt make any difference in my choices etc etc. I was completely healthy, not classed as high risk and felt confident if anything was wrong, I would know due to symptoms or even just instinct.

At 32 weeks, I went into labor spontaneously. Fine, I thought, early, but natural so therefore fine. Because i was so early, I did decide that we would call an ambulance once baby was born (in our bed) in case she needed oxygen, NICU support or similar due to being premature. I still didnt want any medical support during the birth.

It was quick, about 4 hours in total. She was so tiny. We called the ambulance when it was clear she was going to be out in the next few minutes. They got to us within 20 minutes but she had been dead for at least a day by then.

Lyra had died inside my body due to a common problem with my placenta that, had I been monitored, would have been picked up and treated with aspirin. If i'd been to my midwife appointments, had let them listen to her and measure my bump, they'd have picked up how undersized she was in my 3rd trimester despite the fact she looked fine at 12 weeks and things could have been done to help her. I also had a completely symptom free UTI which they think is what caused me to go into labour. Again, this would have been found on a quick urine test. She died because of me.

I went on to have a severe PPH shortly after she was born. I would have been quite happy to die and sometimes wonder if that would have been the better way of things. Unfortunately though the ambulance team were already there and I spent the next few days in hospital having my life saved by the NHS. I lived and she didnt.

I didnt have a single, solitary symptom of any of it and it was all completely preventable. I've had a lot of counselling I did not deserve and I am now on the other side of the madness of influence i was under to think the way I was thinking. The thought I still go back to whenever I'm tempted to think of the medicalization of birth as a bad thing is this:

Women have given birth for thousands of years without modern medicine, but nearly half of them, and nearly half of their children died in the process. Nothing has changed about womens bodies since then, what changed is medicine.

Honestly OP, as much as i understand and as unlikely as it is that you will be in my position in a few months, that's exactly what I thought, too.

I think about the women who lost their babies of their lives before I did and just think I had the option to avoid all of it and I chose to put my child at risk. What a terrible privilege that is.

Bless you. I'm sorry this happened 🤍

Nanny0gg · 14/11/2024 17:08

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 15:35

I do understand about the anatomy scan,I also know the people scanning you treat u better when having a private scan vs NHS scan

How have you been treated badly? What didn't you like?

UsernameNameUser · 14/11/2024 17:08

BlubBlubImAFish · 14/11/2024 17:04

Oh God, I'm going to have to share this and please know I'm only doing it because your post is ME 7 years ago and I found out the hardest way what a bad idea this is. I'm not, in any way, judging you for your feelings on this or trying to scare you because I've been where you are.

Right. Just going to trigger warning here for anyone else that this includes discussion of baby loss and a very near miss with me dying also.

So I believed (and still do) that antinatal health should never have swapped from the hands of women to the medicalised hands of men. I thought the amount we intervene in birth causes far, far more problems than it solved and causes women to have interventions that lead to trauma etc etc. I imagine you're very familiar with this way of thinking.

Anyway, I consumed A LOT of material on social media that reinforced my beliefs (formula was poison, vitamin K shots were cruel and not needed, scan caused autism. you name it, some of it i took to heart, lots of it I didn't). I'm not saying you are exactly like me OP, I was very extreme.

In 2016 I fell pregnant and at the time, was completely convinced my body was designed to deliver a baby and I didn't need doctors to tell me how my body worked, I was intelligent (believe it or not), well researched and knew my stuff. I booked in with a midwife and decided to have one scan, at 12 weeks, to make sure the pregnancy was developing and after that I wouldn't need anything else. I didn't have screening as I felt even if my child had downs, it wouldnt make any difference in my choices etc etc. I was completely healthy, not classed as high risk and felt confident if anything was wrong, I would know due to symptoms or even just instinct.

At 32 weeks, I went into labor spontaneously. Fine, I thought, early, but natural so therefore fine. Because i was so early, I did decide that we would call an ambulance once baby was born (in our bed) in case she needed oxygen, NICU support or similar due to being premature. I still didnt want any medical support during the birth.

It was quick, about 4 hours in total. She was so tiny. We called the ambulance when it was clear she was going to be out in the next few minutes. They got to us within 20 minutes but she had been dead for at least a day by then.

Lyra had died inside my body due to a common problem with my placenta that, had I been monitored, would have been picked up and treated with aspirin. If i'd been to my midwife appointments, had let them listen to her and measure my bump, they'd have picked up how undersized she was in my 3rd trimester despite the fact she looked fine at 12 weeks and things could have been done to help her. I also had a completely symptom free UTI which they think is what caused me to go into labour. Again, this would have been found on a quick urine test. She died because of me.

I went on to have a severe PPH shortly after she was born. I would have been quite happy to die and sometimes wonder if that would have been the better way of things. Unfortunately though the ambulance team were already there and I spent the next few days in hospital having my life saved by the NHS. I lived and she didnt.

I didnt have a single, solitary symptom of any of it and it was all completely preventable. I've had a lot of counselling I did not deserve and I am now on the other side of the madness of influence i was under to think the way I was thinking. The thought I still go back to whenever I'm tempted to think of the medicalization of birth as a bad thing is this:

Women have given birth for thousands of years without modern medicine, but nearly half of them, and nearly half of their children died in the process. Nothing has changed about womens bodies since then, what changed is medicine.

Honestly OP, as much as i understand and as unlikely as it is that you will be in my position in a few months, that's exactly what I thought, too.

I think about the women who lost their babies of their lives before I did and just think I had the option to avoid all of it and I chose to put my child at risk. What a terrible privilege that is.

OP, read this and read it again

@BlubBlubImAFish condolences 💐

MammaKel · 14/11/2024 17:08

@BlubBlubImAFish that's incrediblely brave of you to share.

I'm sorry that happened to you and Lyra.

JusteanBiscuits · 14/11/2024 17:10

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 16:48

Blood tests to check blood group and rhesus status which shockingly bought was the same as a year ago in my last pregnancy, sweeps are another off the top off my head

The blood tests do also check for other things that may affect your baby. Just as one example, AID's so the risk of transmission can be reduced for your baby when you give birth.

NewGreenDuck · 14/11/2024 17:14

@BlubBlubImAFish I really am so sorry.

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