Please give me advice. Is this normal for 29 weeks?TMI itchy cervix, breech baby, BH so bad having two hour baths.

[mumblesmummy]

So basically the baby was breech and so the midwife told me to get on all fours a lot, and to go swimming etc etc. I did get on all fours a lot and the baby moved and I was getting kicked in the ribs. Then it went back to sort of transverse. Today I've had terrible trots, sickness, tired, achey, and such bad BHs that i was in the bath for two hours trying to ease it. Really bad tummy cramps all over my bump, top to bottom, and terrible back cramps and ache. Feel like I can't do anything coz feel so terrible.

So because of the long bath, the baby has now turned breech again. But his kicks are REALLY hard, he's a big baby already (midwife said 4lbs which everyone on MN said is big for 27 and a half weeks which is what I was when she said 4lbs). So he's kicking me in the cervix which is REALLY itching. It's driving me crazy. i don't know if I've got a little thrush or what but it feels terrible. He also kicks my bladder so har that sometimes bits of wee come out only the odd drip mind.

I would expect to feel these things MUCH closer to the end, not at 29 weeks... am I normal?? How can I turn him? I don't want a C section, and the midwife said if he hasn't turned by 34 weeks they'll try and turn him and if he wont then it's C section . I just thought he's turn, but now I'm starting to get really frustrated that he's turned back to breech again.

The sickness and cramps are getting me down. I can't even eat. I feel terrible.

I seem to have had a massive batch of hormones as I can't stop crying at any little thing, and I feel like I'm on fire or freezing all the time.

Can anyone help? Any advice very much appreciated. ANY at all.

do you think that you could have a wee infection?
hot and cold, backache braxton hicks etc. ?kidnet,?bladder infection.
bugs love pregnant ladies bits you know!!!

just wanted to say that they cannot make you have section, even if babe is breech.

Are you sure it's urine and not waters leaking if you are as uncomfartable as you sound?

Try the all 4's again. If bh persist, call labour suite for advice.

take wee sample to Gp/walk in centre.

I am amazed that you are being told he must turn by 34 weeks or have a c-section

or to be honest, that they are getting very bothered about him being breech at 29 weeks?

I am very sorry about all this - your discomfort, and the worry, and the midwife's seemingly odd pronouncements

I hope someone knowledgeable will be on soon to reassure you

I don't really know, but I wonder if you have a UTI?

Call midwife anyway!

oh yes better still, ring delivery suite for advice x

It does seem very early to be talking C sections and at 29 weeks surely babies are all over the shop, up/down/sideways!!

You sound just like me when I had a bad wee infection at 30 weeks. I had bad BH's, terrible back ache and I was knackered.

If it is an infection you need to get antibiotics stright away as it is the most common cause of premature labour. Don't wait the weekend. Call you out of hours doctor, or the labour ward, ASAP.

I thought that about the 29 weeks thing.. as I thought they only turned the right way in the last couple of weeks? at 34 weeks I'll still have 6 weeks to go!! She's a crap midwife in general, but I don't have anyone else to give me advice so I just have to listen to her and get on with it usually

And anyway, if he's breech at 34 weeks and they can't turn him, he might turn himself sometime in the next 6 weeks might'n he? So then I wouldn't need a C section?

I've been checked for UTI 4 times in last 3 weeks because keep displaying the signs, but they all came back normal. I don't know what else it could be?

They thought I was leaking waters a few weeks ago but they did some swabs and said that all they could see was a LOT of pregnancy white discharge which they thought must be looking clear and watery when it came out.. if that makes sense?

It's ALWAYS a weekend when i get ill If I'm still bad by the morning, I'll ring labour ward.

trying to turn the baby is quite a serious procedure (ECV) and if they do still want to do this at 34 weeks please do some research and make sure you are happy with all the risks

there are plenty of non risky ways of trying to turn a breech baby but at 29 weeks, I would be thinking just keep trying to aim for a good position, and don't stress

Had a simliar day the other day, started out with BH contractions, then conspitaption then pain, then the brad pitts for hours. Ended up in bed at 4pm till the next morning, baby has head butting my cervix ever since with sly digs in the ribs.

Hope you feel better soon love, you sound like your having a really crap time.

31 weeks

DD was breech at 29 weeks, and then spent a while turning back and forth until she finally settled. You have plenty of chances yet for your DB to turn naturally.

have you been tested for Strep B? If not, insist..... I had unbearable itching, and it was this, which is not good if not treated, but fine if it is.

I've heard of Strep B but what exactly is it? Does it feel like hideous itching inside when the baby kicks? Are there symptoms I should be looking out for?

I'm so glad other people's babies have turned after 29 weeks... I mean it's hardly too close to the end is it.

Thanks beeper. Think I'm just not good pregnant, it's been one thing after another.

you can have a vaginal breech birth you know. Nobody can make you have a c-section. Vaginal breech birth you always be offered as an option before c-section is discussed. shame on them for not informing you of this.

Please call deliverey suite re your current symptoms sounds like it could be a UTI but always best to be on the safe side.

mumblesmummy - so sorry you're feeling so bad and having such a generally bad time of it at the moment {{{hugs}}}. Couple of things to bear in mind (mainly discovered when DD was breech):

• 29 weeks is very early to be worrying about baby's position. There's still MASSES of time for it to turn, so try not to stress!

• If your MW is worrying you and you want to find out more, try and get a copy of "Breech Birth" Benna Waites and/or "Breech Birth: what are my options" by Jane Evans. They both cover the choices available in (IMO) a far more balanced way than the NHS registrar I saw. The Benna Waites book also has lots of info on complemntary techniques to try.

• it is your body and your choice. If you dont' want a CS then don't have one. Vaginal birth of breech babies is part of the training for all midwives and a fair few have made a point of developing these skills. Do a google search for Mary Cronk and you'll get masses of info. DD was born at home as a breech, and it was a lovely calm experience.

• If you do want to look into a vaginal breech birth just be clear in your head what you want before you talk to consultants. The version I had was that discussed by Mary Cronk - midwife led, hands off, mother on all fours... The version the registrar would "let" me try was consultant led, on my back, in stirrups, in theatre, with forceps and a large cast of hangers on - no thank you! You're far more likely to get the former if you talk to the midwives directly.

• If baby is still breech at 31/32 weeks, you might want to start doing some complementary stuff if you can - the sooner you start encouraging the more chance it'll work... It's the one thing I would change if I could go back.

• You are completely within your rights to write to your senior midwife / head of midwifery (at the hospital) and request a different midwife. If you don't feel confident in her you might want to consider it.

Fingers crossed you feel better soon.

Hi, can't add much to what everyone else has said, but my bump (31 weeks tomorrow) is literally breech one day, turns so i can feel it (woke me up 5 am yesterday!) cephalic the next (last days at work so peeked wed and thurs, so I KNOW is was breech and ceph), so with everything else going on, please try not to listen to your midwife about it staying breech- plenty of time to worry about that later if you really need to.
Hope you get sorted and feel better soon. Hope you ring for advice- there's always a midwife at the end of the phone for just this sort of thing.
Takecare,
mumofk

Thanks everyone. Have just managed to eat something without being sick so I'm starting to perk up a little bit (I hope).

Is turning the baby really dangerous then? Because that's what they're on about doing at my next hospital appt (34 weeks) if he's still breech, so I think I better get it clear in my head if I don't want them to start poking around. She said they'll scan me to check he's still breech, and then attempt the turn. i really don't want a CS as I'd really like a VB, but I know the products the same at the end so I think i best look into the things you all suggested.

Mostly just worried about the cramping in my back and tummy and the general nasty feeling. Plus my hormones are just totally out of control and I'm so irrational and stupid today. I cried over one of my stupid friends, and i cried because DPs mate called over for a brew while I was out because the house wasn't very tidy. It's just sillyness. I havn't been like that since the first trimester!

Waiting for DP to get back then we'll ring the ward.

When you have an ECV there is a (very) small risk that the baby will become distressed. They should monitor for a while before hand to get a baseline, perform the procedure and then put you back on a monitor for an hour to check everything is OK - irrespective of whether the ECV was successful or not. If the baby does get distressed they may need to go straight to theatre for a CS.

I'm a bit suprised they'd perform an ECV at 34 weeks - the NICE guidelines suggest offering ECV at 36 weeks. Because there's a small risk that the baby will need to be delivered then and there they tend to want to do it as near to full term as possible.

Hope you're feeling a bit better this morning - hormones are sooo wonderful, aren't they

It's not incredibly dangerous, no, but there are risks, it can be unpleasant, it doesn't have a particularly high success rate, the baby can turn back to breech again afterwards anyway, and there is really no reason I know of for them to be trying to attempt it at 34 weeks unless there is something else going on we don't know about

have they given you advice on trying to turn the baby naturally?

Here's some information that might help:

"Turning techniques you can do at home are collectively referred to as spontaneous cephalic version. Some trials have been conducted to determine the effectiveness of these various methods, but more study is required before we can really be sure how well they work.

In one study of 71 breech babies, 65 turned when their mother adopted the knee-chest position. To do this, kneel on your bed with your bottom in the air and your hips flexed at slightly more than 90 degrees (don't let your thighs press against your bump). Try to keep your head, shoulders, and upper chest flat on your mattress. Maintain this position for 15 minutes every two waking hours for five consecutive days.

Alternatively, try lying on your back with your hips slightly elevated and your hips and knees flexed. Gently roll from side to side for 10 minutes and repeat this manoeuvre three times a day. If you have had any backache, pelvic pain or hip pain during your pregnancy, do talk to your midwife or physiotherapist before you try this.

Finally, moxibustion is a form of acupuncture which is currently being researched to see if it could help turn breech babies. Some therapists claim an 80 per cent success rate, but before trying it, seek advice from a qualified acupuncturist -- you'll find one via the British Acupuncture Council.

At the end of the day it might be that your baby prefers to lie in the breech position. But if this is the case it does not mean you are automatically in line for a caesarean section. Discuss the possibility of having a normal delivery with your midwife and obstetrician."

You can also try lying on back with hips and legs elevated, place a pack of frozen peas on the top of your bump (where baby's head is). They will move to get away from cold! Shine light and play music or get your dp to talk at the other end (my dp singing to my crotch to turn our breech baby is one of my favourite memories ). They will move towards light and pleasant sounds.