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What do I do at this meeting tomorrow ?

14 replies

postmanpatscat100 · 16/06/2022 19:31

I am 26 weeks pregnant, my mum died, ( unexpectedly) , a few weeks ago, and my midwife suggested I speak to the MH midwife for support due to this.

It has been quite a difficult few years, as my grandad died on 31/12/2020, ( covid), and prior to that I experienced a sexual assault from a ( now ex !) partner in 2019.

I had been moving around a lot for work between 2017-2020, (although I am now settled / own my own flat in south of england), and also experienced a physical assault, ( there was no sexual relationship/ sexual element involved), from a male flatmate when I was in a short-term let up north for work purposes in 2019, ( shortly after the sexual assault).

Anyway, I was explaining to the MH midwife how obviously I was very upset about my mum but the experiences listed above had also given me general anxiety. She suggested a referral to the perinatal mental health team, which, after some consideration , I accepted, ( my partner and I were initially concerned that perinatal mental health might be an automatic referral to SS, but I was assured that was not the case). Just to provide context, aside from the anxiety there are no other reasons why SS should be involved, ( no alcohol, drugs, domestic violence, criminal records suicidal history, learning disabilities, history of psychosis, self harm). Both of us work full time, ( I have returned to work full time now, although I was signed off with bereavement by my GP for the immediate three weeks following my Mum's death six weeks ago).

Anyway, to be perfectly honest, I had a terrible impression of the MH midwife throughout the meeting. She was rude, didn't listen and generally came over very patronising when I was trying to explain how I felt the above had led to me developing some anxiety.

So, in the end, I agreed to accept her referral to the perinatal mental health team, but I just had a "feeling," based on our meeting that she wasn't going to be honest in the referral. So, the ( telephone), appointment with the perinatal mental health team is tomorrow, but I got them to send me a copy of the referral she had written.

On the referral she had written that "I had engaged in multiple risky sexual behaviour throughout the various work related moves across the country."

This is completely untrue, and I can only assume refers to the sexual assault, ( which happened in the home of a former partner). I wasn't sex working, going off with strangers I'd met online / in clubs or anything like that. I had completely normal/ long-term relationships, not strings of one night stands. As for risky, the pregnancy is planned, so that is not an issue either.

There are two MH midwives based at the hospital. I've explained to her colleague, ( the only other MH midwife there) how disgusted I am, that something so untrue and libellous has been written about me, particularly within the context of me opening up about sexual assault.

This midwife ha offerred me a chance to meet with both her and the midwife that wrote the nasty comments tomorrow afternoon, to discuss. I am going, as want to get my side out there, but what on earth do I say . I can't bring my partner as he is working but I worry that meeting the two of them together they are going to lie and twist what I have said.

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Bigthicksliceoftoast · 16/06/2022 19:35

Is there anyone at all that you can take with you? If you don’t have anyone near-by, ask your drs surgery if they have a patient liaison or advocate service.

PizzaPatel · 16/06/2022 19:38

Utterly shocking. I don’t know what to suggest but I am so sorry you’re having to face this. Sounds like a shocker of a few weeks (/years)

romdowa · 16/06/2022 19:39

Personally I'd contact pals to make a complaint and to have your records amended and postpone the appointment tomorrow until you can bring someone with you.

postmanpatscat100 · 16/06/2022 19:43

Bigthicksliceoftoast · 16/06/2022 19:35

Is there anyone at all that you can take with you? If you don’t have anyone near-by, ask your drs surgery if they have a patient liaison or advocate service.

I do have a close friend locally, ( we have known each other since secondary school), who knows all of the above anyway so I'd be comfortable asking; but she's a single parent to a 3 year old so I wouldn't want to ask as she is unlikely to be able to get childcare at such short notice and obviously not something she/ I would want a 3 year old listening in on .

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Respectforpeople · 16/06/2022 19:48

Postpone if you can and take someone with you
If not Record the meeting.
Have a bullet point time line to refresh you.
Before the meeting Go through the referral and highlight the inaccuracies and incorrect assumptions.

State at the beginning you are disgusted by the incorrect assumptions that were made and want them corrected.

chiffchaffchiff · 16/06/2022 20:33

"I had engaged in multiple risky sexual behaviour throughout the various work related moves across the country."

Come straight out with it and ask her how being sexually assaulted constitutes "engaging" in risky sexual behaviour. I'd like to hear her explain that one.

postmanpatscat100 · 16/06/2022 21:07

I think i',m really worried that if I complain she will try and make out I'm unstable and "needs," to refer to safeguarding, or potentially try and prevent me getting an epidural in labour.

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cdba88 · 16/06/2022 21:13

I am so sorry. Write down bullet points of points you would like to make.

stuntbubbles · 16/06/2022 21:18

Write down bullet points. And I would make a complaint to PALS. I’m so sorry this is happening, what a way to increase anxiety for you!

postmanpatscat101 · 20/06/2022 15:32

OP here.

I'm still incredibly upset from the meeting with the two MH midwives on Friday.

I started by saying I felt what she had put was untrue and libellous, and she kept interrupting and saying "well I'm sorry you are offended as it can be a difficult thing to read about yourself, but it certainly wasn't libellous as what I put was true, so you need to stop saying that and move on."

I said I found it offensive she'd put that in the context of me disclosing a sexual assault and she just snapped, " you're being silly if you think I put that cos of the assault, it's because of what else you said when disclosing how the last few years has caused you to develop anxiety, a couple of things really jumped out at me."

  1. The fact that, ( pre-pregnancy), you said you were living in shared HMO accomadation with men you didn't know, that stands out as incredibly risky behaviour.

She wouldn't listen when I tried in vain to point out that A) due to housing expenses in the south east, HMO's are very popular with single under 35's as housing is so expensive, B) It was a registered, legal HMO, (landlady was actually lovely !), not some weird, seedy "sex for rent," agreement,C) I was living there cos I was new to the area for work purposes and wasn't able to buy a new flat until my previous flat sold, ( brought and moved into my currrent flat in Sept. 2021), D) I didn't specifically choose it as it was "full of men," but because it was very nicely decorated, clean and the tennants were all older/ working ( landlady let to workers only), as I didn't want to accidentally move into a student party house etc, E) The sexual assault happenned two years before I moved into the HMO and wasn't connected to shared living in any way.

I just found the insinuation that when moving into a new area for work, I was such a "risky," person that I deliberately chose to live in a house with unknown men as I "must have enjoyed the attention/ unsafe behaviour," incredibly upsetting.

  1. She then went onto say, "yes, and you told me how you'd been involved with a married man and that contributed to your anxiety, that was incredibly risky behaviour."

And I was just like, "did you not listen to the context of anything I told you about that incident !?" ( for the record, I would never knowingly get involved with a married man).

I'd explained to her, that shortly after moving to the area two years ago, I'd decided to give online dating a go, and had started using Bumble, ( a pretty mainstream dating site).

Obviously the man involved did not mention he had a wife. It turned out he was staying down south for work purposes, but had a wife 300 miles away up north, ( I'd visisted him in his shared housing down here, so it obviously looked like he was a single man living a single life). I found out when, three months after I'd started seeing him, I saw his wife commenting on his instagram, and instantly ended things with him and told his wife, ( his wife even told me she could tell I wasn't the type of girl to knowingly get with a married man, and that she knew I was genuine as Id'd told her the second I found out,and that he was on a "last chance," as he'd done the same thing with several other women similarly).

She then just kept saying dismissively, "yes, yes , you said you didn't realise," and rolled her eyes to indicate she didn't believe me. I asked if she'd like to see the instagram messages on my phone between me and his wife which verified what I said, and she just laughed and said no.

Her colleague, the other MH midwife, backed her up during all of this , and just kept interrupting and saying, " we've heard your opinon , we're not discussing this any further."

I asked if they were going to document in the patient records that they'd said previously living in shared accom with men I didn't know was a sign of risky behaviour, and she just snapped, "of course Im'm not gonig to go into so much detail." I said i'd like her to document it, but she refused, just writing, " had a long chat with OP about what she belives to be discrepancies in her referral to perinatal mental health team."

I just felt so judged and basically labelled a slapper, that I have been so upset all weekend feeling "forever judged," on my history.

She then just snapped at me, " well if you are not happy with the care from this hospital you can find another," but the other nearest hospital is over an hour away, and, " "being a MH midwife, I've had lots of training in MH, and can tell you that risky sexual behaviour is a sign of poor mental health so I had to put in on the perinatal mental health team referral to get you the help you need, i'm not gonig to apologise just cos you are offended by that."

She then kept repeating " you just show no insight into your behaviour, no insight at all," which was hurtful, ( I have anxiety, I'm not in a psychotic state without insight).

She also ticked the box on the perinatal mental health referral to say "I had no bond/ attachment to infant," ( not true). When I asked why she ticked that, she just said, " well you didn't seem that excited when I asked you if you were excited for the baby to be born," and just rolled her eyes when I said, "but when I met youlast, iy was a few days after my mother's funeral, I was very unhappy about everything."

Her colleague, MH midwife 2, then interruped and said "well I think it's a good thing you're bonded with your baby now, you obviously weren't when you met MH midwife 1 3 weeks ago or she wouldn't have ticked that box.

I said I wanted to complain via PALS, and she snapped "you can if you want, but I don't think PALS are going to be very interested in this.

I have complained via PALS this morning, but I just feel completely humiliated with the whole thing, and am now utterly dreading my standard 28 week apponitment with the regular mdiwife, ( she seems nice, but I'm surre MH midwife 1 and 2 will have fed back their version of events to her).

postmanpatscat101 · 20/06/2022 15:46

But unfortunately, although i've complained to PALS, do I just accept what they say that PALS won't be that interested.

I don't need to see her again, as she just snapped at me, " it's clear you have no insight into your behaviour , but I don't need to be involved in your care from now on."

The perinatal MH team say I can have a telephone appointment with a doctor in the next couple of weeks to discuss risks/ benefits of starting anxiety medication, ( i'm not currently taking any medication), and they can look at referring me to EMDRr..e the assault but I almost don't want to engage at all now.

Especially as the MH midwife kept saying smugly , " well look, you clearly have MH or the perinatal MH team wouldn't have agreed to take you on after telephone assessment/ accept the referral ."

VerveClique · 20/06/2022 15:51

Speak to your local Supervisor of Midwives. Call your GP surgery to find out the contact number.

Say that you have recently been referred onwards from your midwife, but that you would like someone to have another look because you think that the information in the referral is inaccurate, which could then lead to unintended consequences.

Keep it very objective and unemotional for now. You should then be able to be seen and re-referred by another midwife.

GreenCard · 20/06/2022 15:52

They sound like complete bitches. Not everyone who works in nursing is an angel and we’re conditioned to accept shit care and not call it out. Document for PALS everything you said and what they said back as you’ve told us here.
i’d keep the appointment with the doctor and explain that you wanted a referral for X and disagree with what was said by MH nurse

postmanpatscat101 · 20/06/2022 16:36

GreenCard · 20/06/2022 15:52

They sound like complete bitches. Not everyone who works in nursing is an angel and we’re conditioned to accept shit care and not call it out. Document for PALS everything you said and what they said back as you’ve told us here.
i’d keep the appointment with the doctor and explain that you wanted a referral for X and disagree with what was said by MH nurse

That's the thing.

I naively thought because they were mental health midwives they would be nice people. Clearly not.

Now I feel paranoid that because of the PALS complaint the whole team will hate me.

But I've been watching lots of OBEM on catch up recently and the midwives always seem so well, non-judgemental about things, ( episodes have included 18 year old first time mum with 33 year old methadone using Dad, women giving birth shortly after being released from prison etc) and I just struggle to believe that previously having lived in anHMO with unknown, ( and tbh normal if a little boring !) men has to be the most shocking/ red flag behaviour they have ever seen.

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