Reasons to not vaccinate

[doidontix]

Sorry another vaccine thread ... Im now in my third trimester and up until now I've decided against the COVID vaccine, but everything I'm reading in the news is now scaring me a little. Before anyone jumps down my throat, I am leaning towards the vaccine. For months I have been reading up on it, all the trusted websites ie nhs, RCOG etc. So I'm aware of the risks of catching COVID in the third trimester which is why I'm leaning towards having it. My question is for those who are against it and what are your reasons for it? I've searched and searched for reasons not to have it, I've tried researching data on the negative effects of having the vaccine and I cannot find anything. All the threads I read on here from people that are against it all seems to be the same, they don't trust the government or they don't feel like it had been tested enough. Are they only reasons you are against it? Or do you have research based evidence as to why you are against it? If so Id genuinely like to read it as I've been unsuccessful in finding any. I'm not looking for debates, just genuinely interested as so why people are so against it.

presumably that means that the evidence is hugely in favour of having it. Why look for reasons not to? It would be different if it was the other way round and you were looking for reasons to have it.

@Cookerhood it's more out of curiosity. I'm not looking for someone to talk me out of having it. I'm just genuinely interested, as there are so many people against having it in pregnancy (or at all) and I'm just curious as to why.

The actual study (not the media reporting of it) does say they need further research and they aren't sure of several factors, especially within the first and second trimester. For that reason, I've decided against. I don't want to be experimented on to see the effects. I want to know what the effects will be before I vaccinate.

I'm not anti-vaccine at all, in any way. I've had flu and whooping cough and my child will receive all they need in a few weeks. I think it's OK to be wary of something that hasn't been in circulation for long, especially when trying to protect your child. The original study (not media reporting of it) also states that there's no evidence of passing the antibodies onto the neonate. So I do find it odd that people on forums keep saying about passing antibodies onto their baby, because that isn't the case in the research that has been conducted.

As I understand it, there’s currently no evidence of negative effects. But people who are against having it while pregnant think there hasn’t been enough research to exclude possible negative effects.

The original study (not media reporting of it) also states that there's no evidence of passing the antibodies onto the neonate. So I do find it odd that people on forums keep saying about passing antibodies onto their baby, because that isn't the case in the research that has been conducted.

There has been multiple studies showing that babies of vaccinated mothers have been born with antibodies.

Hi,
I am also in a similar position, almost in my 3rd trimester. I was definitely against having it, up until recently & seeing the news & cases of pregnant women, especially in their 3rd trimester.
I am pro vaccines, but I didn't want to get this as I felt that there wasn't enough evidence that there wouldn't be any long term effects on baby. However after lots of research, I think I have decided to get it as I'm very scared of catching covid in 3rd trimester. I am nervous about getting the vaccine & I'm still not sure I'm making the right decision.

Please can you provide me with the links to the studies? I've been really trying to find them from credited sources, not the media.
I'm trying to make the best informed decision possible, so I'm really open to reading everything that I can, within reason to what is credible. Hence why I'm avoiding news articles.
Thanks x

If you're looking for actual research I would recommend searching on Google scholar rather than normal google. This way you will get research articles rather than news reports (notoriously bad at reporting scientific research). E.g. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589933320302883

Most academic publishers have made their covid research articles open access (available free of charge) and you always have access to at least the abstract for an overview of the findings.

If you have seen an article you want to read but can't because it's behind a paywall, you can usually find the article on PubMed central (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/) as it's usually a requirement of the study funding to make it available here.

www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(21)00187-3/fulltext

Here is another scientific article to help

Hello,

I was also deciding against vaccine, i have already had the first dose of astra zeneca before i was pregnant then a day later the guidance changed that people my age shouldnt get it ect.... the midwife then told me that i would need a moderna or phizer instead as the 2nd dose, but theres not a lot of research how effect mixing vaccines are.

Anyway roll on yesterday i was at my 20 week scan appointment and got my whooping cough vaccine afterwards., the nurse asked me about the covid vaccine and i explained my situatiion. She said no no the guidance has changed significantly in the last 6 weeks, before we were telling people its fine to have in pregnancy, and now we are saying that it is best to have it as the ICU is full of young pregnant woman and the rate of still births from mothers with COVID have risen quite significantly. She also said i could have a 2nd astra zeneca but really i am stuck now what to do.

Im not an antivaccer it was more i dont feel enough time has elapsed for us to see if there is any longterm side effects on the baby? Just reading this thread that nurse told me the vaccine doesnt pass the placenta.. if thats the case how are babys being born with antibodies.

My mind isnt fully made up but i am having a rethink on my no vaccine descision

I try to think of it in simple terms as it's easy to get bogged down with the what ifs.
Covid= proven to be very bad for pregnant women and foetus in third trimester.
Vaccine= NOT proven to have any detrimental effects to pregnant women or foetus at any stage of development.

Also, how are they going to get data in pregnant women if women don't have the vaccine? So at the very least, by being vaccinated I'm doing my bit for the people to come after me.

@julzx someone else can probably explain this better than me, but the vaccine goes into your arm and then your own body makes the antibodies to covid. These antibodies are what (according to solve research) passes to the baby, not the vaccine itself.

@Tangfastic91

I try to think of it in simple terms as it's easy to get bogged down with the what ifs. Covid= proven to be very bad for pregnant women and foetus in third trimester. Vaccine= NOT proven to have any detrimental effects to pregnant women or foetus at any stage of development.

Also, how are they going to get data in pregnant women if women don't have the vaccine? So at the very least, by being vaccinated I'm doing my bit for the people to come after me.

This was my reasoning. I see people mention possible long term effects frequently too - but we don't know the long term effects of covid exposure in utero any more than we know the long term effects of the vaccine exposure in utero, so to me this is largely a moot point (except that various specialists have said that they can't come up with even a theoretical mechanism by which the vaccine could harm an unborn child).

Still doesn't fill me with confidence if I'm being honest.

Its personal judgement. And I love the person who's said they're doing their bit for people coming after them. I honestly admire you so much. I'm just way too scared.

The vaccine is most definitely safe and I know that. I just wish I was pregnant in 2 years time when scientists properly knew the effects and it didn't blatantly say "we need more research". It just scares me. But that's my choice. Everyone is completely entitled to make their own. I'm just explaining why I haven't.

@julzx

The vaccines work by giving your immune system information about what the virus looks/acts like (eg. "See this protein? The virus has something similar - make antibodies to attack this if you come across it"). The vaccines don't contain the actual virus, but kind of show your body a schematic for the identifying features of the virus which can be successfully targeted by a body's immune response.

Antibodies are small components of your immune system which are made by your own body. Because of how the placenta works, antibodies made by someone who's pregnant can cross and provide protection for the baby. The vaccine itself, though, is very short-lived and doesn't cross the placenta (assuming current research on these and other related vaccines is correct).

Are you also going to look for people to talk you out of preventing your child dying of avoidable diseases by having their vaccinations? I don’t understand

@Derbee

Are you also going to look for people to talk you out of preventing your child dying of avoidable diseases by having their vaccinations? I don’t understand

🙄 Clearly you haven't read the thread properly. I'm not looking to be talked out of anything, as stated in this previously in this thread. But thanks for commenting 👍🏼

@LadyoftheWoods

If you're looking for actual research I would recommend searching on Google scholar rather than normal google. This way you will get research articles rather than news reports (notoriously bad at reporting scientific research). E.g. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589933320302883

Most academic publishers have made their covid research articles open access (available free of charge) and you always have access to at least the abstract for an overview of the findings.

If you have seen an article you want to read but can't because it's behind a paywall, you can usually find the article on PubMed central (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/) as it's usually a requirement of the study funding to make it available here.

Thank you, will have a read later tonight ☺️

I am not anti vax at all. Both my and DC1 all up to date. Had the whooping cough vaccine with this pregnancy, but not the covid vax, I will have it as soon as I can post partum. Reasons being that there is no long term evidence to suggest that it won't affect the baby later in life. It took several years and several MC to get to this stage and I am not prepared to risk it. The risk from covid is still seemingly small (though that terrifies me too!). I've managed to live in a high risk area working in education and continuing to go into the office throughout the pandemic without catching covid, so for me, the balance of risk means I won't be having it, though I have ummed and ahhed over it these past two weeks.

I'm not anti vax in the slightest but I've decided to wait. Mainly because I was only invited a few weeks ago and I'm so near to my due date now, we decided to shield until the birth instead. So both working from home, supermarket deliveries, not meeting up with anybody etc.

My reason is basically my own anxieties around the fact that the professionals were advising against it literally only months ago and I dont see how they could have collected enough data to be able to so definitively change their minds in such a short space of time. Surely babies of vaccinated women are only just starting to be born in meaningful quantities around now for the data to start becoming available? And yes I know it's the same story with catching covid, and I did have a scare recently which made me think twice hence deciding to shield. But I guess I'm just not very comfortable being a Guinea pig at the moment.

How do people feel knowing that by choosing not to have the vaccine they are choosing not to give their baby antibodies? Honestly not being a dick - I’ve seen a few babies with covid now & they haven’t been incredibly ill but I feel that passing on antibodies to ensure they get an even milder version of the virus puts my mind at rest & is why I got it. Also, because of third trimester issues…

I just don’t understand the ignorance. Would you rather people told you that it’ll be fine to get COVID in your third trimester? Why would you make decisions on your health and the health of your baby based on opinions of strangers on the internet?

Speak to a doctor, or your midwife surely?

@Derbee

I just don’t understand the ignorance. Would you rather people told you that it’ll be fine to get COVID in your third trimester? Why would you make decisions on your health and the health of your baby based on opinions of strangers on the internet?

Speak to a doctor, or your midwife surely?

Thank you again for commenting my on my thread. But once again you haven't read my post properly. I am in no way asking people to influence my decision. I'm aware of all the risks of COVID in the third trimester, I've done all my research, I've spoken with my midwife, consultant and my GP. You are completely misunderstanding the meaning behind my post. So if you're really that interested in commenting, I suggest you read the original post again ☺️

@Derbee I don’t think it’s ignorance to want to reach out to a large demographic of people about a specific issue that you wouldn’t necessarily be able to reach out too in day to day life?

What a useless post, honestly!
If you opt for not getting your shot, that's up to you. Same as if you opt to get your shot...
Don't really get why people would advertise again or pro something. Everyone makes their own choices and this post really doesn't help.