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Pressure to induce due to high blood pressure - so angry

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jezza1234 · 12/04/2021 13:38

Hi all,
Have to vent. I am 39+3 wks and have borderline/high blood pressure that has been creeping up a bit during pregnancy, which i take medication for and monitor at home. I have never had any protein in my urine or sign of pre-eclampsia, baby growing absolutely fine (50th percentile), doppler of the Umbilical cord absolutely fine, all CTGs absolutely fine, no other symptoms.

About 2 weeks ago the midwives and doctors start telling me that i’m going to need an induction at 39/40
Weeks. I ask for evidence to better understand the risks and benefits of induction vs expectant management, and after a long conversation the doc agrees that it’s fine to wait until 41 weeks, the main issue is pre-eclampsia and slightly high bp is manageable. I agree to go into hospital for regular monitoring.

First monitoring appt today. I get bp reading of 140/90 and 145/90, slightly high but the same as i’m getting at home. New doctor comes in and starts telling me that my baby is at risk of stillbirth and i need an induction.

I was so angry and upset. I said to him that that the word ‘stillbirth’ is a very inflammatory word to throw around and asked him to explain why it was necessary to have an induction now. He immediately backed down, apologised for using that word and said ‘it’s pre-eclampsia we’re worried about not high blood pressure’.

What if I hadn’t done my own research and gathered evidence? What if I was younger and less self assured and not able or comfortable challenging the assertions about stillbirth?

I have never in my life experienced the kind of pressure and emotional manipulation from medical staff that I have since becoming pregnant. I usually am quite happy accepting the recommendations of medical staff because I feel comfortable that these are based on good evidence and research. This is absolutely not the case in obstetrics, and given the different information i have been given by different doctors at different times, there doesn't seem
to be any internal logic either.

The only thing doctors seem to want to do is induce, induce, induce - yes it might be the best way to prevent the possibility of something happening, but that’s like saying that leg amputation is a great idea because it will prevent 100% of sprained ankles! I know that in some cases induction is important and useful, but rates of induction have gone up and up with only small drops in stillbirths and negative outcomes for women. That means many hundreds of thousands of women are being needlessly induced.

This is what the research is showing - but it’s so hard as a pregnant woman to stick to my guns on this in the face of emotional pressure basically saying ‘you’re going to kill your child if you don’t induce’.

Please excuse the rant - just so frustrated that the last weeks of my pregnancy have to be spent feeling like this.

OP posts:
FTEngineerM · 12/04/2021 17:25

All women have the right to make their own healthcare decisions, even if it leads to poor outcomes.

The doctor didn’t stop the OP from doing what she wanted.

Flip the argument; your baby dies during birth and you end up in ICU, they didn’t tell you that was what could happen.

Aside from that being utterly devastating for you, they’d also be sued up to the ears.

Alfaix · 12/04/2021 17:27

1 in 200 is not a very small risk!

Oblomov21 · 12/04/2021 17:32

I with all those saying 'they are just informing you'. No they aren't, or rather yes they are. But you are entirely missing the point. It's the way it was done. It's very heavy handed. I totally agree that if OP wasn't as informed or strong, many other women would have been totally bamboozled into induction which seems to be all the rage atm.

jezza1234 · 12/04/2021 17:35

@Bluntness100 - in my first post I said that after a long conversation my doctor said that she was happy for the pregnancy to go to 41 weeks; I would have been happy to clarify that if asked, I was too busy fending off the body blows from other posters.

Like I said in my last post - I was and continue to be angry at the emotive language used to force women into uninformed decisions, amongst other things.

I had a really difficult experience today with a doctor who I felt used the word stillbirth to pressure me into an early induction without good reason, and who immediately changed his recommendation once I questioned it.

I didn’t ask to be called a bad, selfish mother on this thread just for questioning this behaviour and having a rant after an upsetting day. In fact I’ve tried to be as reasoned as possible in the face of this aggression in case another woman reads this who also felt pressured and coerced into doing something she didn’t feel comfortable with by anyone in a position of authority. I continue to believe that women have autonomy over their bodies and the decisions they make during birth and every other life event, and have the right to learn more about their situation to allow them to have an informed discussion with their caregiver/doctor/teacher/whoever, without fear of retribution or insults.

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Nameandgamechange123 · 12/04/2021 17:36

If there is any miniscule chance the baby could be at risk, you would be mad to risk it. Listen to the professionals.

Dsisproblem · 12/04/2021 17:37

I get where you are coming from OP. Induction isn't risk free, and I wanted to avoid it too. I also found obstetricians very gung ho with their want to intervene and they seemed utterly perplexed when I challenged their logic. In my case it was risk of infection which had "DOUBLED" said in a very alarming way. When I asked from what to what, they said from 1 in 100 babies to 2 in 100 babies. I was happy to take that risk with further monitoring, as antibiotics are not risk free.

jezza1234 · 12/04/2021 17:41

@Oblomov21 Exactly!!

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Sittinonthesand · 12/04/2021 17:46

I really don’t understand what you are angry about. They have to explain the risks to you in clear, simple language- even if it seems stark it has to be something that everyone can understand (even people who don’t goggle).
I agree with a pp that really you are frightened of giving birth and frightened of the loss of control that this entails and directing your feelings at this issue instead. Completely understandable - it’s a scary business! I think it would be helpful for you to acknowledge this and to accept that births often don’t go to plan but all that really matters is the baby. It’s just one day that had to be got through, being guided by people with more experience and knowledge than you.

Triffid1 · 12/04/2021 17:47

I do have sympathy wt the way doctors and midwives speak to pregnant women. It often feels rushed and not explained well enough.

However, I think you are being ridiculous to object to the word "stillbirth". There is a risk of still birth, that's a fact, so your doctor not using the word is silly and you are being silly for objecting. When DS was three and had to have surgery, one of the scary moments was where they specifically pointed out that we needed to sign a form to say we understood that even though this was minor, routine surgery, there was still, nonetheless, a chance that he could die. It's a risk, they have to mention it.

I also think that while induction does seem to often be the catch all, that I have seen too many women (myself included) who went along with an induction with perhaps a sense that it didn't seem 100% clear that it was necessary and then being insanely grateful that it was done.

If I wasn't at the hospital being induced, DD would have either died or being born brain damaged. Were they inducing me because of that specific risk? No, but there were multiple small issues they were concerned about, all leading them to decide that they wanted to be extra cautious, and as a result, I was at the hospital, being induced when they realised that if they didn't do an emergency c section immediately, there were problems. To put it in context - I had TWO mild contractions only before she was delivered via c sections. If I'd been home, I am not sure I'd have even considered going into the hospital for HOURS, by which stage it would have already been too late.

My point is that sometimes the recommendations are not about a very specific , "in the situation of x there is a xx% chance of stillbirth so we recommend induction at yy weeks." It's more fluid than that.

Alyosha · 12/04/2021 18:11

Pregnant women aren't just vessels for their foetuses...they are allowed to have a preference around how they give birth, even if that preference might lead to worse outcomes for the foetus.

In any case, in most of maternity care, guidelines differ from hospital to hospital, doctor to doctor, trust to trust - trusting the professionals is a tall order when two of them might tell you something different in a row! And that's just the start of it, as we all know when the baby is born each community midwife, HV & GP you meet will tell you something different/contradictory.

OP has made an informed decision, she was justifiably upset about how she was treated. I don't thing the doctor was wrong to mention stillbirth but risks like that should be quantified. Give all patients the unbiased evidence instead of shroud waving - in this case OP's back has been put up where with a more collaborative conversation including a discussion of risks of hypertension, risks and benefits of 39-week induction etc. would have yielded a better outcome.

And by the way - outcomes are best for babies when induced at 39/40 weeks, there's a strong argument for all women to be offered elective induction at that point.

SeasonFinale · 12/04/2021 18:56

The issue is though whilst you may have a conversation with a doctor on one day, the following day the circumstances may have changed. You really should take on board advice and not dismiss it just because you had a conversation with a doctor a couple of weeks back.

jezza1234 · 12/04/2021 19:19

The issue is though whilst you may have a conversation with a doctor on one day, the following day the circumstances may have changed. You really should take on board advice and not dismiss it just because you had a conversation with a doctor a couple of weeks back.

There were no new circumstances. The previous conversation with the consultant was 4 days ago. My blood pressure reading was actually better today.

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StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 12/04/2021 20:17

Im so pleased you are more assertive and know how to advocate for yourself. I didnt and I had the exact same symptoms as you. Slightly high bp but nothing else. I did point out that the days I went for a walk my bp was fine. They even tested my theory (LOVELY student mw) by sending me out for lunch and a stroll and lo and behold bp went back to safe levels. They still induced me. I didnt know about informed consent until afterwards when I joined MN. After years of having my boundaries trampled on I didnt twig that it wasnt ok. You can bet your life things were different when I had dc2.

SohoOrigami · 12/04/2021 20:32

If there is any miniscule chance the baby could be at risk, you would be mad to risk it. Listen to the professionals.**

Sorry, but this is a mad statement and needs challenging. There are no risk-free options for giving birth. That's exactly why information given to mothers and conversations about risk and choice need to be clear, and women need to be genuinely informed about scenarios and trade-offs, rather than battered into submission by worst case scenarios in respect of the option that a doctor or midwife prefers.

I was in a similar situation where I was pressured to induce due to increased risk of stillbirth. In hindsight, that increased risk was tiny (which I didn't know and wasn't explained), and I wish I had been in a better position to weigh it up against the risks of induction, which in the end left us both seriously ill for a long time.

Good luck OP, hope everything goes well with the birth whenever it happens.

thenameshastings · 12/04/2021 20:43

@Alyosha great post

Laytwir024 · 12/04/2021 20:47

I get why they're worried but I also understand your upset. Inducing before your body is ready is a sure fire way to go through a hideous labour that ends in a csection. I'd keep monitoring op. I'd keep an open mind but also be wary, as unfortunately things can go wrong in these situations.

wishfulthinking10 · 12/04/2021 20:55

Could they give you the equipment to monitor you at home for a few days with your blood pressure? Mine goes up just sitting waiting for my appointments 🤣

nocoolnamesleft · 12/04/2021 21:02

Unfortunately, if there is ANY increase in risk of stillbirth, then they are obliged to mention that. To quote from the latest GMC guidance for consent " Any risk of serious harm, however unlikely it is to occur."

espressoontap · 12/04/2021 22:04

I'd be asking for an elective caesarean.

You are stupid for not taking their advice.

So many heartbreaking stories of babies lost. Why risk your baby?

Cleverpolly3 · 12/04/2021 22:11

@Laytwir024

I get why they're worried but I also understand your upset. Inducing before your body is ready is a sure fire way to go through a hideous labour that ends in a csection. I'd keep monitoring op. I'd keep an open mind but also be wary, as unfortunately things can go wrong in these situations.
Not in all cases All mine were inductions no hideous labours or emergency c sections

But I do love your acknowledgment that “things can go wrong in these situations “ Hmm

Cleverpolly3 · 12/04/2021 22:15

@Alyosha

Pregnant women aren't just vessels for their foetuses...they are allowed to have a preference around how they give birth, even if that preference might lead to worse outcomes for the foetus.

In any case, in most of maternity care, guidelines differ from hospital to hospital, doctor to doctor, trust to trust - trusting the professionals is a tall order when two of them might tell you something different in a row! And that's just the start of it, as we all know when the baby is born each community midwife, HV & GP you meet will tell you something different/contradictory.

OP has made an informed decision, she was justifiably upset about how she was treated. I don't thing the doctor was wrong to mention stillbirth but risks like that should be quantified. Give all patients the unbiased evidence instead of shroud waving - in this case OP's back has been put up where with a more collaborative conversation including a discussion of risks of hypertension, risks and benefits of 39-week induction etc. would have yielded a better outcome.

And by the way - outcomes are best for babies when induced at 39/40 weeks, there's a strong argument for all women to be offered elective induction at that point.

Talk about stating the obvious Of course pregnant women are not just vessels but why make a point just for possibly the hell of it

Nobody will care how the baby is born including the OP if it all goes tits up. They will just want them here safely

There is no point thinking that at the point of labour or delivery everything is under our control because it isn’t.

The empowerment of the woman at the risk of a living baby and healthy happy mother

No brainer
A bloody article or outcomes means fuck all when the chips are down.

MissTrip82 · 12/04/2021 22:19

Your analogy of amputation to prevent sprained ankles has totally reversed the likelihood and significance components of risk matrices and is utterly irrelevant.

You are really, really misunderstanding the nature of the risk here.

askingrandomsonlinemighthelp · 12/04/2021 22:25

I had gestational diabetes and was 2 weeks past my due date. I had a birth plan full of hypobirthing, no intervention, no pain relief, no this and that. I was induced. I didn't even argue. I played up a bit because I did seem to be covered in wires and cables and I wanted to go for a poo. Then I had an ECS. None of it was what I wanted or expected... but when I look back I'm so glad I did as I was told. They do this every day. They're experts. We're so so so lucky to have them. I feel embarrassed now when I think about my hippy-dippy birth plan. I bet they thought I was a right dick. I'm one of tens of thousands to the people who got my baby out alive and well, but I'll always remember them.

ElderMillennial · 12/04/2021 22:28

May daughter was stillborn and I only wish I'd had more warnings about stillbirth. She might still be here.

I've met other couples whose babies have died because of medical negligence.

If they didn't warn you about the risks, you'd complain. I'm sure it's stressful but they are there to help.

KoalaOok · 12/04/2021 22:30

I didn't realise the risks of induction so thanks for highlighting and I hope it all goes well for you OP.