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Refused c section?

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WindFlower92 · 30/03/2021 15:07

Not happened to me, but I've just read on another thread that someone with a 3rd degree tear was refused a c section and now has to have a vbac this time round. I had a 3rd degree tear two years ago so am having a meeting in two weeks to discuss an elective c section. I know it says that they have to refer you to someone else if they don't agree to it, but has anyone been in the situation where no one at all agrees to it and you have to have a vaginal birth? What happens if no one is willing to perform a c section on you at all? I was feeling quite calm about this as my midwife said a 3rd degree tear was a good reason to request a c section, but maybe it isn't? Aagh and now I'm stressed again, for a change!

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chalktheblockwithglitterchalk · 31/03/2021 07:05

Major not Malory

Mistressofmany · 31/03/2021 07:06

I find that being clear your mind is made up helps - if you are uncertain they have a duty to keep discussing the risks etc. Show you have researched them and made an informed decision.

ivfbeenbusy · 31/03/2021 07:45

In terms of recovery - I did have an emergency c section with twins in January - didn't require any morphine - on my feet in 6 hours, home the next day and driving within 2 weeks

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WindFlower92 · 31/03/2021 08:33

For those talking about a vbac, for me it's not just about the tear. My DD got stuck and I nearly ended up having an emergency c section after a 2 day labour. I remember telling the midwives that she wasn't coming out but they told me everything was fine. I hated how out of control I felt and worry this time about the same thing happening but with a midwife who may not make the same choice to get the forceps in time.

On a side not, I've been told 3 times by 3 separate people that my womb is tilted and my cervix is at an angle (I think - smear test and she said she couldn't find it as easily!) Could this be why DD got stuck first time round? I'm thinking she maybe had a sharper angle to go through on her way out. Would that make sense or am I misunderstanding how it all works?

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WindFlower92 · 31/03/2021 08:34

Sorry I said vbac again and I didn't mean it! I'm thinking the other way round!

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BigRedBoat · 31/03/2021 13:20

I had a maternal request c section at the same hospital in 2018, it was a slightly different situation in that I was booked for a section because the baby was breech but on the day they were having an issue with the portable scanner to confirm she was still breech (they would have sent me home if she had turned). I asked the consultant if I could have the section anyway as I was mentally prepared for the baby to come today and would be gutted to go home and she agreed straight away but said it would be documented as maternal request. In the discharge letter I got it says 'c section due to maternal request' without any of the background explanation.

Hopefully you get the outcome you want.

maloney123 · 31/03/2021 22:30

@chalktheblockwithglitterchalk I do get that, but labour and vaginal birth is also a major process which often requires stitches and has a long recovery period. I personally don’t know anyone who has had a straightforward labour, they’ve all been complicated and pretty high risk really. The only person I know who had a smooth process and easy recovery had a c section funnily enough!

SnooperTrooper12345 · 31/03/2021 22:45

[quote maloney123]@chalktheblockwithglitterchalk I do get that, but labour and vaginal birth is also a major process which often requires stitches and has a long recovery period. I personally don’t know anyone who has had a straightforward labour, they’ve all been complicated and pretty high risk really. The only person I know who had a smooth process and easy recovery had a c section funnily enough![/quote]
I second this.
All the people I know who have had csections actually healed quicker than the people I know with 2nd/3rd degree tears

IdblowJonSnow · 31/03/2021 22:51

Print off the NICE guidelines and highlight bits that you can quote.
They tried to fob me off but I stood my ground. Then they said I needed to speak with a staff member, cant remember her role, she agreed it straight away.
Try to keep calm, its your body and all that.

Good luck.

ThatsNotTheTeaHunty · 31/03/2021 23:03

This is what angers me sometimes. I love the NHS don't get me wrong but exSIL ended up with c section as she physically couldn't give birth vaginally. Her twin sister then got pregnant and because her twin couldn't give birth she asked for a c section and got granted her 'wish' she didn't even try!

Inkpaperstars · 01/04/2021 01:43

All this said, I have an elcs booked for Fri and I’m terrified!

brushlaptop · 01/04/2021 23:02

I genuinely believe women have the right to chose how they want to give birth. But I also believe that a c section is seen as the easy way out when the recovery is actually really hard. Having had one myself let me tell you I had the shock of my life when the spinal wore off 😂 OP I hope you get the birth that you want x

brushlaptop · 01/04/2021 23:03

@Inkpaperstars you'll be fine just remember to take the pain killers on time 😂

Mistressofmany · 02/04/2021 00:24

@ThatsNotTheTeaHunty

I don't see what angers you about this, or how you are privy to the reasons your exsil's twin asked for a c section.

Christmaspuddingsteaminghot · 14/04/2021 14:45

I had an appointment last week to discuss section after my previous emergency section. I went having read guidelines etc. Consultant asked if I still wanted a section, I said yes, he booked me in! No stress or worries. Hope your appointment goes well.

EXA1912 · 15/04/2021 08:31

I have a tilted uterus and I could not get my first child out at all, I couldn’t progress past 9cm, my hips were too small And was in labour for 2 days too but they kept on trying with me it was so traumatic....wasn’t till a consultant came in and stuck her hand in and was like “get her down for a section now” that they did. Luckily I haven’t had to battle for csections following this, if anything they’ve encouraged I have a csection again rather than risk trying vaginally. I’m 4 weeks with number 4, if I even asked for a vaginal birth this time it would be an absolute no. However csections aren’t all they’re cracked up to be either, but I have had 3 and each one has been more complicated than the last x

Alyosha · 15/04/2021 08:48

The person on the other thread should get in contact with Birthrights. The hospital need to either give her an ELCS or refer to somewhere else that will. Is she in Oxford by any chance?

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WindFlower92 · 20/04/2021 21:47

Just updating to say I had my request approved! No questions asked, she seemed happy with my reasons and put down the reason was to prevent further trauma and to get baby out in the quickest and safest way. Hope that reassures anyone waiting for their appointment!

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Winterbaby21 · 20/04/2021 21:55

I'm 12 weeks pregnant and opting for a section due to previous birth injuries and trauma, my midwife told me guidelines have changed and a section cannot be refused.. was she just talking about my local trust? I hope that remains the case, I haven't seen a consultant yet.

I'm so angry reading some of these replies, I'm sorry so many of you had to fight so much.

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WindFlower92 · 22/04/2021 07:41

A consultant can say no, but they must refer you to another consultant @Winterbaby21

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