36 weeks pregnant wine with dinner

[summerrain34]

Thoughts on drinking this far along in pregnancy obviously a small amount but can it do any harm ???

@Toastytoes1 are you actually a qualified nurse? Some of the stuff you've typed here is ridiculous. Are you telling your patients this?

I’d do your own research OP, you’ll end up with all sorts of crap being spouted at you (as up thread)

Expecting better by Emily Oster is good

" I've also met people who claim (and I have no reason to disbelieve them) that they 'just' had one or two glasses a week because they thought it was fine and their children were not fine. "

The reason not to believe them is obvious isn't it? Of course, they don't want to own up to heavy drinking in pregnancy.

Wow. Just wow.

Enjoy your glass of wine with your dinner. I wouldn't recommend the bottle though 😉

Why risk it?
You don't know how much is safe.
Just drink a normal drink.
I don't understand.

@summerrain34 I’m pregnant too and asked my midwife about it on special occasions. She said up to two small glasses a week would be fine although she’d recommend not every week.

I’ve had a glass on 2 special occasions so try not to worry and enjoy your wine.

No expert, but heroin is a hellll of a lot worse than one glass of alcohol.. you can drive on a glass of wine defo can't drive on a 'bit of heroin' I think you'll be fine having a glass of red with your meal, there was a time when health care professionals didn't understand the effects of alcohol and a lot of pregnant women went out and drank (not loads obviously) but that generation seemed to survive haha, my mum has a few Proseccos on NYE (this was the norm to have a few glasses then) and I came out 3 days later perfectly healthy, one tiny little glass should be okay xx

I personally have drank 4-5 glasses over my pregnancy I'm now 32 weeks

Who knows if it will do any harm, and up to you if you want to.
My personal point of view for me is well I can go without and will enjoy it even more when baby is here without feeling any guilt. I don't see the big deal just not having any, there is plenty other nice non alcoholic drinks to choose from.

@Toastytoes1 are you a medically trained nurse? as honestly your interpretation of medical knowledge here is a bit scary. Im a GP.
No - alcohol is not worse than heroin
and no our breasts do not 'filter' alcohol altho that is a hilarious concept.
Honestly I've extensively looked into the evidence for this and really the odd glass is fine. If you don't agree, and wouldn't feel comfortable with that, thats understandable, but lets base this on facts shall we?

'As described in a 1996 Institute of Medicine Report to Congress—‘Of all the substances of abuse (including cocaine, heroin, and marijuana), alcohol produces by far the most serious neurobehavioral effects in the fetus.’ (Institute of Medicine, 1996).'
Full article:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4262892/

www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20101101/alcohol-more-harmful-than-crack-or-heroin

'Despite the fact that alcohol is legal to drink during pregnancy, the severity of potential side effects from prenatal exposure to alcohol makes it one of the more dangerous drugs to ingest while pregnant.'
Full article: www.addictioncampuses.com/blog/drug-addiction-and-babies/

You can all criticise me as much as you like and call me a bad nurse as much as you like but there is evidence to support my claims and not one of you, vocal as you are about how abhorrent you find me as a person, has actually offered any scientific evidence to say that my overruling piece of advice which is there is no known safe amount of alcohol to drink during pregnancy so why take the risk, is wrong.
Offer me the evidence and I'm more than happy to change my view and my practice accordingly. But you simply telling me that it's fine when NICE guidelines tell me otherwise, sorry but I'm not overly prepared to take your word for it.
Honestly, why do you think the recommendation is not to drink any alcohol when pregnant! Why? Because the NHS is a fun sponge who wants pregnant women to suffer even more than we already do? Or because they know that no one knows what the safe amount to drink is so it's simply not worth the risk. And as a GP, to the previous poster, that should be what you are promoting as a public health authority figure, not your own personal opinion.

Alcohol is the most dangerous substance you can put into your body when pregnant, it's worse than smoking, worse than cannabis, worse than cocaine and worse than heroin.

Total bollocks!

One glass of wine at 36 weeks is absolutely fine OP. Enjoy.

They say no Alcohol because they know people will always drink more then what is recommended. And because they know that they do not know the save limit so they go on the side of caution. That does not mean 1 glass once a month will do damage but 1 everyday it might.

not one of you, vocal as you are about how abhorrent you find me as a person, has actually offered any scientific evidence to say that my overruling piece of advice which is there is no known safe amount of alcohol to drink during pregnancy so why take the risk, is wrong.

Offer me the evidence and I'm more than happy to change my view and my practice accordingly. But you simply telling me that it's fine when NICE guidelines tell me otherwise, sorry but I'm not overly prepared to take your word for it.

Such a study, which could prove what you ask for beyond all doubt, would be impossible to conduct under any form of medical ethics - but I think that you know that, don't you?

I'm sorry that you have seen some of the very worst of what some parents are capable of through your work. It's completely understandable that this will colour your view. However, the parents who abuse substances throughout pregnancy causing major long-term damage to their unborn children are not the parents posting on a parenting forum to canvass opinions on a small glass of wine with a meal. Please stop shouting at the latter group as if they were the former.

@Toastytoes1 stay calm because I'm not about to flame you.
‘Of all the substances of abuse (including cocaine, heroin, and marijuana), alcohol produces by far the most serious neurobehavioral effects in the fetus.’ (Institute of Medicine, 1996).'
So I've read most of this article now and thank you for posting it. If you read it too (I think to be honest you haven't), they're explaining that in total the number of babies with complications due to alcohol misuse is more than those other drugs. Because many more women misuse alcohol during pregnancy than the other drugs (stats given in section 1 of article). This does NOT mean that alcohol is worse for your baby than heroin. This means simply that more women are excessively drinking than taking heroin; the proportion of babies who get abnormalities are still higher with heroin taking mothers. And the article was mostly looking at excessive alcohol use. Please read your own links because that one was really very interesting

Ps another takeaway from that article is that meth, ecstasy etc are more likely to actually kill your baby than cause abnormalities. So fewer babies are born with abnormalities with those substances because...they die instead. Definitely doesn't make them safer than alcohol!!

I didn't find out I was pregnant until 20 weeks, I had been having a couple of glasses of wine once or twice a week.

I was so worried about FAS I considered a termination. I went for a consultation with a prof at the fetal medicine centre in London, who said never in his career had he seen FAS develop in occasional drinking through pregnancy. He did caveat with of course it could happen, anything can happen, and with a demographic that can never ethically be tested on there will never be a definitive "safe level" that's why the guidelines had been reduced.

Personally, I couldn't cope with the guilt and worry as I'm a bit OCD, but wanted to offer another prospective.

No of course it can't OP.

I honestly think HQ should ban posters who spout unproven nonsense as medical fact. They are downright dangerous! Certainly more dangerous than having 1 glass of wine at 36 weeks pregnant. FACT.

@procrastinator101 , did you post on MN about your anxiety/ torment during your pregnancy? I remember a thread that may have been yours. I've often wondered how that poster got on, and if it was you , I'm glad to hear you sounding so much better now.

Personally I wouldnt but thats because i barely drink anyway, if I did I'm sure a small glass of red with your meal isn't going to harm your baby:) enjoy your glass of wine! Once babies here who knows when you'll be able to enjoy another lol!

@Toastytoes1 using NICE as a guidance for your practice is great. However using an article that 24 years old, and then misunderstanding the study isnt. Evidence based practice is the cornerstone to nursing, so id really urge you to read around evidence etc further to gain a better understand.

Curious to know where you got your info from about breast milk filtering alcohol, as its entirely wrong.

@summerrain34 M&S do a surprisingly nice alcohol free wine. I tried the rose last weekend (believe they also do a red and white) and it tastes like the regular stuff. Its de-alcoholised so it's actually made of grapes not green tea like some other options. Its 0.05% which I've heard is same/less than a ripe banana.

Curious to know where you got your info from about breast milk filtering alcohol, as its entirely wrong

I think she didn’t word it correctly but I think I get what she means with this at least. The alcohol ingested by the mum is filtered by her liver before it reaches her blood stream and enters the breast milk. Obviously the alcohol content of breast milk reduces as Mums BAC reduces. When the baby ingests the breast milk, the babies liver then filters it AGAIN before it reaches the babies circulation, at which point it’s at a negligible level.
At least, I think that’s what she means.

I drank throughout my pregnancy so I'd say yes. Way less than usual and weaker drinks than usual. But no way was I not drinking for 9 months. My mum drank and smoked as normal through all 3 of her pregnancies.