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Questions about pumping and breastfeeding, I’m very confused!

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Helpmelmaooo · 26/11/2019 12:20

Hi all I’ve got some questions about pumping and breast feeding if any of you lovelies are free to answer - I’m about to have my second baby, I didn’t breast feed my first so I’m completely clueless. I want to have a proper go and pump too this time.

  • what is pumping actually for? Do people breastfeed mainly with their breasts and use pumping as “back up milk”? To keep a spare stash in the freezer/fridge just as a top up?
  • what is the routine if you are going to use pumped milk? My assumptions are you keep the milk in the freezer, take out an hour before feed to defrost, sterilise bottle, pour milk into bottle and feed? Is that correct?
  • when you are using pumped milk what do you do with the milk in your breasts? Pump again? Or should you always feed from yourself first and just use pumped milk if you have run out of milk in your breasts (like if your baby is still hungry or wants a feed just after you’ve pumped etc).
  • do you have to sterilise all pumping equipment every time you use it? Wouldn’t you be sterilising every single hour?
  • how do you pump when you’re not in the house? The reason I ask this is that if I’m out and about I don’t want to/won’t have the means to sit down and breast feed because although I agree with women being able to breast feed as and when they please I just wouldn’t feel comfortable doing it in front of the general public and also I have a toddler so if my baby was latched I wouldn’t be able to grab my toddler if she was throwing a tantrum etc. If you’re out and your breasts are full/your baby needed feeding what do you do?

And last of all I’d just want someone to explain the basic routine of feeding and pumping to me because I’m 100% clueless!
Apologies if my 0 understanding has offended anyone!

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Delbelleber · 26/11/2019 12:49

In my own experience, breastfed baby will not want a bottle even if it is your very own liquid gold. You will be feeding on demand and not necessarily in a nice routine like a formula fed baby, so if you are feeding your baby on demand chances of your boobs getting overly full are slim unless you miss a feed somehow, but bf babies like to feed a lot and it's pretty time consuming. You can still get up and have one arm free when you are feeding so it's not too restrictive for grabbing the toddler. It's awkward getting used to it. But it has to be done.
I don't think you need the sterilising equipment because breast milk is naturally anti bacterial so you can wash it in hot soapy water. I tried pumping milk in the hope of giving it in a bottle for dad or whatever reason I had but the baby didn't want it and it would generally go to waste. Very sad when you spend all that time pumping and maybe not getting much milk because the pump cannot stimulate the breast like the baby does so the baby will always get more than what you can pump. The best time to pump would probably be the morning before the baby wakes up because that would when you would be feeling most full and probably leaking. You aren't going to run out of milk because of supply and demand your body makes more but if you miss the feeds baby is looking for you won't be stimulating the breast to make more.
Everyone's body is different though. I didn't have any problems stopping breastfeeding after 9 months and a year because my babies had lost interest in the milk, the milk just stop producing so no sore boobs.
You could store the milk in the freezer and defrost like you said.
Good luck, it's not easy but it is very rewarding. The best thing you can do is get the latch perfected in the very early days before you develop sore nipples. If you have the right latch you will not get sore nipples. You have to hold the babies head and gently tease their lips with your nipple so they have a big wide mouth then push the head in to the nipple so they get a big mouth full of it, if they don't then you get sore nipples.
Hopefully you get a good mw who can show you. And keep trying, if it's not right you slip a finger in to detach them then try again.

MrsEG · 26/11/2019 12:50

I’d be intrigued with any advice you get here - I am expecting twins so want to pump mainly to help while I’m out of the house (I could feed one, friend could take a bottle and feed the other!) but I’m similarly confused around a lot of it!

PrimeraVez · 26/11/2019 12:59

I pumped because I went back to work when mine were 4 months old. I pumped milk whilst I was at work for them to drink during the day the following day.

Once my supply was established, I also pumped whenever I could be bothered so I had a constant stash in the fridge and freezer. This meant I could go out and DH could give them a bottle and DH could help out with night feeds.

I had a battery operated single pump (Medela Swing) so got pretty good at pumping on the go (on planes, in the office, even in the back of a car) I had a Medela storage bag with ice blocks in it that kept the milk cool for a few hours.

Good luck!

Keyboard91 · 26/11/2019 13:00

Interested too. I have a maximum of 2 weeks to Bf as I will have to go back on medication that I can’t feed with, so I had wondered about just expressing as much as I can from the beginning and bottle feeding my milk until the freezer supply ran out and I’d transfer into formula.

thisyeargoodyear · 26/11/2019 13:05

I breast fed my first son as much as possible - but due to a tongue tie (which didn't get snipped until 6 weeks) I had to pump and feed this in a bottle after each feed to ensure he was getting enough. I fed of both breasts for 15 minutes then expressed and put the milk in the fridge to use as a top up after the next feed. By 2 months I just fed him expressed milk from a bottle. I was constantly using the pump in the beginning (always sterilised) and couldn't do without pumping for 3 hours otherwise I would leak a lot! I had a manual pump that I took out and about and would use this in the car etc, when out and about, and I also had plastic cups to wear in my bra to collect any leakages which I then fed (not sure exactly what they were called but were very useful!).

I am having a elective c-section next week with my 2nd and my intention is to exclusively breast feed this time with as little expressing as possible as it is very time consuming. If my baby has a tongue tie this time I will be going private and getting it shipped within the first week (the NHS waiting list in my area is still around the 6 week mark).

Boobiliboobiliboo · 26/11/2019 13:05

I had a battery operated single pump (Medela Swing) so got pretty good at pumping on the go (on planes, in the office, even in the back of a car) I had a Medela storage bag with ice blocks in it that kept the milk cool for a few hours.

I exclusively expressed for nearly a year and did all of that too. Wherever I was, every 3-4 hours tops I would pump. Night and day. On planes, at a wake, a wedding, lost count of the number of times in the back of the car, during a spa day, shopping centre and restaurant toilets. Ah, happy and glamorous times. I was NEVER without that pump.

In contrast, OP, my friends who did breastfeed the normal way never needed to pump anything.

GemmaJen · 26/11/2019 13:20

I pump regularly, for me it means there's milk if I'm out, don't want to bf and we also give a bottle before bed to top her up and help her sleep. My baby is happy to take bottle or breast - we introduced bottles early as we were having pain when feeding. But I'm glad we did as it makes things more convenient.

I use both a hakka and double electric pump. The hakka is good to use to collect when I haven't fed in a while - I usually do one pump at 5am when she wakes for a feed, she only takes one side - I get 120ml which is enough for her evening bottle. We store some in the fridge and any excess gets frozen. The electric pump is good if I'm skipping a feed as she's taking a bottle or if my supply has dropped off, a day or two of pumping once extra for 20mins (even if no milk is coming out) and my supply goes right back up.

I bf when out of the house, it's much easier. I sterilise bottles and pump parts, just for peace of mind. But I only pump twice a day once with the hakka and once with the electric so it's not too bad.

Everyones experience is different though, what works for one may not work for another. But pumping and bf can work well together and some babies are happy to take both bottle and breast with no issue 👍

Purpleartichoke · 26/11/2019 13:26

Pumping is mainly for going out without baby or getting to sleep through a feeding. Most people don’t bother pumping in the first month or more. If you wait to pump, the sterilization rules relax a bit.

We had to pump from day 2 and then put the milk in an SNS. In that scenario, absolutely everything has to be sterilized every 3 hours . I don’t remember the exact day we got to start relaxing the rules, but eventually it becomes sterilize every 24 hours.

Pantsomime · 26/11/2019 13:30

Medela swing electric double for twins- pump 10mins at end of each bf session allowed me enough for dh to do 10pm feed with bottles while I had about 3 hours sleep yippee - froze any left overs. Sterilise bottles etc

Conorgog · 26/11/2019 14:00

My story - DC refused to breastfeed, (everything was checked out with him by multiple consultants, tongue tie specialists, and lactation consultants - every breast specialist you can imagine, he was completely seemingly fine, just not into it). So in between flipping my boob into his mouth at every opportunity in hope he would miraculously take it, I pumped like a maniac for almost a year.

Like @Boobiliboobiliboo I was attached to the thing, I had the medala, the single to start then the double then the ‘turbo’ 😂 they were great.

I highly recommend trying to breastfeed as much as you can, it’s so much more convenient, less mess and less planning!

Good luck

katmarie · 26/11/2019 14:11

Just to clarify something, it's unlikely if you're breastfeeding that your breasts will run out of milk during a feed. Milk is made in response to baby feeding, so it's basically an on demand service. Your breasts will feel fuller at certain times, such as after a few hours sleep (if such a thing exists) but they wont ever be empty. And the more baby feeds the more production of milk is stimulated. I speak as someone who is currently cluster feeding a 4 week old. Shes been on the boob all day so far. No time at all to pump. Or eat. Or do anything really.

Boobiliboobiliboo · 26/11/2019 14:15

Milk is made in response to baby feeding, so it's basically an on demand service.

There’s a delay of 24-48 hours in production. It’s not an instant tap.

katmarie · 26/11/2019 14:22

Having said all that once you get past the cluster feeding stage, I found that I could usually pump once a day or so, normally in the evening ds would have a good long sleep which gave me the chance. I have an Ardo Calypso pump which does single or double pumping. It came with several little bottles to pump into, so I dont have to wash everything after every pump. I usually managed to pump enough for one feed, and when ds got bigger we mixed breast milk in with formula to transition him over. At the midwifes advice we also mixed it with porridge when weaning him.

The pump was a godsend when I went back to work too, I pumped on my lunch break for about 3 months until ds gradually weaned himself off the boob.

Darkstar4855 · 26/11/2019 14:44

I wouldn’t worry about pumping to start off with. Just concentrate on getting breastfeeding started and getting your milk supply established first.

I started pumping at around 3-4 weeks with my first so that my partner could give him a bottle in the evenings while I got some sleep. He started refusing the bottle from 10 weeks on though - I found out afterwards this is quite common.

There are pros and cons to pumping: it can give you a bit more freedom but is also a hassle as you have to wash the pump and bottles (no need to sterilise with breastmilk). Milk can be kept in the fridge for a few days or in the freezer for up to six months (see the Kellymom website for more info on storage).

A hakaa pump is a good option for a lot of people - it’s a small suction pump that you put on the opposite breast whilst feeding to catch the letdown. Some women find they can get enough for a bottle a day using this and don’t need to pump separately.

Greedytiger · 26/11/2019 14:50

I’m breastfeeding my 8 month old and fed my eldest until 1 and have never pumped. My eldest would need feeding every 90 minutes and so feeding in public was essential. He wouldn’t take a bottle even when we tried.

My DD feeds every 3 hours so you could probably avoid feeding in public if you weren’t out all day. She will happily take a bottle and so we use formula in an evening as I work at 7-9pm so am not there for bedtime.

If you are not adverse to using formula you could mix feed and use this when out and about, however you will affect your milk supply if you do regular formula feeds at an early age.

If you definitely want baby to take a bottle I would make sure you do one feed a day this way right from birth. If you pump at the same time as your partner gives baby the bottle you will then have the milk to store in the fridge for the next day. It lasts 5 days in a fridge.

Serabi · 26/11/2019 15:06

I chose to exclusive feed from ten breast for the first 6 weeks. This is because my baby didn't have the best latch and I wanted that to improve before I introduced dummy's or bottles.
I also wanted 6 weeks for my body to get a 'true' reflection on how much milk to make. From about 3/4 months I started expressing, I did this with quite minimal effort and would get about 2/3 oz if I pumped once in the morning. I froze all of this milk in 4 Oz portions and so I had a good 4/5 days of milk feeds in my freezer. I then could feed baby an expressed bottle if I was away from her.
Personally I only used expressed milk if I was away from her or for a back up at an event if I couldn't feed mid church service or stuck in traffic on a long drive. I found that for every time she took a bottle I would feel full and uncomfortable so I never got into the rhythm of an expressed bottle of milk daily to give me a break which I know some mums do.
She took a bottle well (we had success first time with Minbie) but at 9 months for no reason she refused bottles. So our expressing journey was over as she would have solid food for 24 hours if I rarely rarely had to leave her.

littlejalapeno · 26/11/2019 15:07

I would say only use it if it will make your life easier. You probably won’t know that until you’ve met your baby and know what their personality is and if they will take the bottle.

My baby did take the bottle and for the first 6 months I would pump a bottle in the evening and the next evening my partner would use it to do the evening feed while I pumped the next bottle. Usually in front of the tv, just having a break. However by six months it got hard to express enough so we switched to formula for that one feed and I’ve been gradually making the switch over to formula by replacing a boob feed with a bottle. So currently two bottles and one boob feed a day.

Pumping did make my life easier and let my partner bond by doing a feed for those first six months. You can see how long it works for you though.

Also you can pump for comfort if your boobs get too full and baby doesn’t want a drink for whatever reason. My boobs would get hard as rocks and the pump was a lifesaver at times.

I had a tommy tippee pump that was half price in mothercare so it doesn’t need to be fancy. But I had to be plugged in to a socket so couldnt pump on the go. You can get a manual pump that is more labour intensive but useful for on the go.

You do have to sterilise it and the bottles every time you use them. It is what it is.

Google “la leche league” and “nhs breastfeeding” for more info on your last question.

Phuquocdreams · 26/11/2019 16:13

I found pumping an awful faff but as pp said, it is handy to allow other people to feed baby if you want to go out for a few hours or have a sleep. I haven’t even tried with this baby though as I find it such a faff...
Once you are comfortable bf, I would really encourage you to try to get comfortable feeding out and about. You can dress in such a way that it’s pretty discrete. One of the best things about bf is how it makes it so easy to get up and go - no need for sterilized bottles or worry about running out of food.

brightbird · 26/11/2019 20:11

Reading with interest as expecting my first and intending to bf.
if I couldn't feed mid church service
What kind of church would want to stop you??

I plan to bf when out and about - and if you would otherwise be pumping out and about it strikes me as being at least as and probably more self-conscious making as breastfeeding, or need a more private space. My friend who has been bf her now nearly 2 yr old often does so while with us in cafes and things and I honestly barely notice she's doing it let alone see anything.
I think it will take me some practice to get used to, both physically and mentally but seems so convenient.
I have been interested to read people's other reasons for pumping though.

OP check if there are breastfeeding support groups in your area - ours has an active one which even runs free antenatal classes.

BertieBotts · 26/11/2019 20:53

OK so the first thing to get your head around is how breastmilk supply and demand works. Breasts are not like bottles that fill up, have a specific amount and then get emptied and fill up again.

There is a bit of hormonal stuff going on, but essentially the most important thing to know is that milk is being made all the time at the rate of a sort of trickle. This milk collects in the milk ducts. When you have a lot of it, you will "feel full" - heavy, engorged, uncomfortable and possibly leaking.

When you get letdown, which can happen due to your baby sucking, thinking about your baby, the baby crying (any baby crying), you feeling emotional, or it being about the time your baby usually feeds, the flow of milk increases and if you're pumping or feeding, you'll get a faster output. If you're not pumping or feeding at the time, you'll feel a weird sort of draw in your boobs a bit like the feeling of suddenly really needing to go for a wee, and you might leak a bit (Don't worry, the random things that set letdown off are much more sensitive in the newborn period and do calm down).

When your milk ducts are full, either of collected milk or from letdowns, your body produces a hormone that essentially says "Calm down with all these letdowns - we're making too much milk". If you remove the milk at this time, then your body gets the message OK - yep - this was right, make this much milk. But it's not like your breasts are going "OK - baby usually feeds at 9am - commence dump of 5oz breastmilk into this breast immediately". It's more fluid than that, like a mountain stream with occasional rushes from rainfall.

So it's not possible to run out of milk during a feed. As long as the baby is attached, they will be getting milk. The difference is that at the beginning of the feed with a fresh letdown and/or a store of collected milk, the flow is very fast. After this initial gush of milk, they can still feed for longer and the flow will be present but it will be slower. It never really runs out. If you're pumping, you will find that it does "run out" after a short while because when pumping you can only really access a fresh letdown and the stored milk. Breastfed babies sometimes want to stay at the breast for a really long time, much longer than you would pump or bottle feed for. If you don't need to put them down, then I would recommend to let them do this, because they are getting milk which is good for them and also good for establishing a milk supply. But if you do need to stop and do something else, it's OK to take them off once they reach the faster, more "nibbly" and loose sort of feeding, you'll get to know this - the baby might not be happy about it, though. (Some seem more OK with this than others). Breastfeeding especially in the beginning can look a lot different from bottle feeding. It may not be clear exactly where a feed has begun or ended, you don't get the same discrete/clear start and end you do with bottle feeding. And this is OK, but it can feel a bit confusing or haphazard if you're used to having had a clearer pattern with feeding where you know the baby is likely to want to feed every however many hours. With breastfeeding, if they are hungry you can just put them to the breast again, whether it has been a few hours or a few minutes.

With that said, your questions:

  • Pumping - there are as many reasons to do it as there are mothers. Some mothers never pump at all. It's not necessary to pump if you don't want to. Most people pump either to get breastmilk into a bottle so that somebody else can feed it, or perhaps if the baby is having difficulty breastfeeding or needs to be tube fed, or to remove milk from their boobs in order to give the message "please make more milk". Perhaps if they have missed a feed or are separated from their baby or they just want to increase supply.
  • That routine for using pumped milk sounds fine
  • As explained there is not necessarily "milk in your breasts" just because your baby is hungry at that time. Most of the milk the baby drinks is made to order as they are drinking it. So it just depends. If you are having somebody give a bottle so that you can sleep, it wouldn't make sense to wake up and pump. But if you are having somebody give bottles because you are away for a few hours, it might be a good idea to pump at least once or twice within that time in order to keep your supply up. But you probably don't need to pump as many times as the baby feeds. For example during an 8 hour work day, pumping once or twice may be fine. Also, with UK maternity leave you will probably not need to pump at work - this is more applicable to the US where mothers go back to work after a few weeks.
  • When my baby was in NICU and I needed to pump I was told sterilising once in 24 hours is fine and just to keep it in the fridge otherwise. You can also get these little breastmilk storage bags, which are pre-sterilised, you just fold the opening over the bottle neck, screw bottle to pump, pump, take bottle off, seal up bag, write date on, freeze. Then when you need to feed the milk you can defrost as many bags as you need to make a full bottle - it's common to get only a small amount when you pump so you need to combine output. FWIW though I was never pumping every hour.
  • I don't know how to answer your last question, it just seems so hugely impractical, I would just feed the baby! It's not that much of a problem if you need to stop and grab a toddler. Most clothing which is breastfeeding friendly has kind of flaps, so if you did move suddenly, the flap would fall down and cover your boob anyway. Maybe I am just really laid back but I have never worried about feeding in public at all - it's never been an issue. I think it is one of those things that seems more daunting in your imagination than it is in reality.
BertieBotts · 26/11/2019 21:01

YY I would feel loads more self conscious pumping than feeding - pumping is v unglamorous, makes you feel like a cow, exposes more boob and makes lovely weird squelching noises just to top it all off Confused When you're feeding a baby most people don't even notice you are doing it, they just assume you are giving them a cuddle.

And you def wouldn't be able to jump up to a toddler because if you break the suction while pumping it can take a while to get the flow going again and you will drip milk everywhere. Whereas a baby might cry if unlatched, but can just be latched back on when convenient.

Boobili - you're getting mixed up with two different things. There is a 24-48 hour delay for increased production for things like growth spurts, but milk is also always made on demand, it just comes more slowly if the production is lower. You don't store the whole amount of milk for one feed in your boobs and the baby drinks it out. There is a little store (which can be pumped or drunk) and then the main portion of the feed is being made as and when babies drink it. You used to hear this referred to as foremilk and hindmilk, but we now know these terms are unhelpful.

For OP (and anyone else) Some useful links to read about supply and demand:

Foremilk/hindmilk

Feeling full

Waterlemon · 26/11/2019 21:11

kelly mom Is a fantastic research based breastfeeding website. It helped me immensely in my BF days

I expressed daily with DC1 but never bothered withDC2 except when I had a rare night out and had drunk alcohol. DC was fed with a carton of ready made formula whenever I wasn’t able to BF him.

I found with DC2 it was quicker and easier to just fed him myself than all the fuss of making Up bottles Etc.

Serabi · 27/11/2019 12:06

@brightbird I went to one extremely posh wedding and my baby was a hungry / slappy/ must see both breasts at the same time kind of feeder. I didn't fancy being in the background of beautiful wedding photos with nipples flailing around. It wasn't the church that stopped me but my own level of comfort and discretion

brightbird · 27/11/2019 18:04

@Serabi fair dos!

@BertieBotts what fantastic, detailed answers - really informative thank you

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