Oh god really struggling with sickness now

[ConnorTraceptive]

I has hyperemesis with ds and it looks like i'm going to be suffering in this pregnancy too except this time i have a toddler to care for aswell. I'm only 8 weeks and i'm already at the end of my rope.

Poor ds isn't getting to to anything during the day, the house is a wreck and i really am struggling to be positive about being pregnant now.

Sorry just seen that you said you'd tried buccastem. It may be worth you seeing your GP and really telling them how bad it is. I was hospitalised because the level of ketones in my urine was off the scale. I was warned at the hospital that if I didn't have treatment (I was worried about the lack of research into the effects on the baby) I would probably lose the baby, and there was a chance that it may be brain damaged as I was so dehydrated.

It is really serious as I'm sure you already know. Do not be fobbed off by your GP. My had to take me seriously I just sat there unable to speak as I couldn't stop wretching.

My ds is absolutely fine now by the way, but things were worrying for a while but I didn't have any choice.

Feeling quite lucky, as loads of people seem to have not been taken seriously with hyperemesis
I just peed in a pot and everyone said 'right, off to hospital then'
CT, hope you find your GP or hospital as helpful as I did

wow, lots of reaaly lovely posts. Thank you so much it helps that people understand how awful this is. Dh is very supportive but I know he can't really imagine what it's like.

I think because i had such poor care last time i feel like there's nothing to be done but clearly i need to get to the doctors so will call them tomorrow.

thank you again everyone your support is much appreciated

Many sympathies here from me too. It's just awful, so awful, and having a LO to look after as well just adds a wonderful dollup of guilt into the mix.

I took phenergan with dd1. I found a whole tablet made me so drowsy I couldn't function. But a half was just enough to keep some food down (didn't take away the vile nausea and constant drooling though).

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Hiya Connor

I ahd HG also, and I worked on teh bllominga wful helpline (will link in a minute) for a while, so do CAT if you need to- I am away for a weke though, but would e-mail on my return with a phone number

Pruners is bang on- baby will NOT be harmed!

I ended up on a drip as a result of severe dehydration, and that is the real risk of HG in my experience. I did end up unconscious however so was really ill, and its a higher risk in summer naturally.

Alternative therapies (in apricular homeopathy and I have heard acupuncture) can be helpful if practised by a trained speciualist. Alternatively i found I stayed well0ish on avomne and no other medicines, poeple's needs vary a lot with medicines.

Am TTC myself (with no success so may not happen) and aware that I will face thsi horrid condition again, so you have my every sympathy aand

Oh yes. Sleep. there is a suggestion of a link between nausea and tiredness. Taht's important. And stay hydrated- ice pops, lettuce, melon- any high fluid substances you can tolerate

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Oh the link

We helped out a good friend of mine with this by taking it in turns to go round to her house and look after her ds. She could go to bed and rest, and our kids could play, especially handy over mealtimes because she found it impossible to cope with cooking smells.
Do you have a good friends net work who might be able to give up a few hours each day to help?
My sympathies too, I threw up 7-8 times a day with ds2 (ds1 just 11months old at the time) but having only just moved to a new area didnt have friends or family to fallback on, it was horrendous.
Good luck

huge symapthies, I had severe hyperemesis with my second pregnancy, and was hospitalised several times. As others have said ondansetron was my saviour.
It was tough on ds1 (age 3 at the time). I upped his playgroup mornings from 2 to 5 mornings a week and then various freinds and family would have a rota to have him in the afternoons. I literally didnt see him for weeks on end. I found the smell and sound of him (and anybody in fact) would make me feel even worse so i was a total recluse.
As for the housework we paid for a cleaning agency to do a weekly clean just until I was back on my feet (it's not a luxury we can normally afford but god, it was worth it at the time)
I had great support from "blooming awful".
Also I dont know if you have cnnections with your local church but there may be volunteers there who can help you.

I know what you mean about finding it hard to be positive about your pregnancy, please dont feel guilty about this, it's totally normal. I was begging the doctor from my sick bed for a termination at about 11 weeks, I just didnt think i could carry on.

I lost 2 stone in my first trimester and took ondansetron for 12 weeks but i now have the most beautiful, healthy baby girl (9lb on delivery!) Just do what you can to get through it and ask for loads of help.
If you are anywhere near the cardiff area I will gladly be of assistance!

Good luck. I hope you start to feel better really soon. x

i too had HG throughout my first pregnancy, last throwing up while in labour. the only thing that had any sort of effect was stemetil suppositories - it didn't fix it totally but brought the sickness down to a manageable level. all tablets pretty much came straight back up. my doctor was fantastic though, i am just amazed to read all the comments of doctors who claim it's all in the mind. it really is a most depressing condition and totally prevents you from leading a normal life. in all i probably had 6-8 weeks off work during the pregnancy and worked reduced hours (thanks to v. understanding boss) to keep my travel and stress levels down.

i am now 26 weeks into my 2nd preg and it looked for all the world like things were heading the same way. sadly stemetil is now only available in tablet form, so having tried again with different tablets and buccastem and finding it didn't agree with me i made a decision to lay off the medication altogether rather than constantly trying out new things. then unbelievably at around 17 weeks it went! i still throw up every so often and feel pretty nauseous a lot of the time but the daily misery of constant sickness has gone. so i guess my message is, don't give up hope, it could still go even if you have it quite badly now.

sorry this isn't the solution you're looking for, but i would say that i was just as worried as you sound in the early days of this preg, absolutely dreading the coming months, and it hasn't panned out like i anticipated at all. i am even thinking i might be able to bear to do it all again!!!

I totatly sympathise with how you are feeling. I had this during my pregnancy and was hospitalised due to high ketone levels and dehydration . I found I wanted to scream and possibley punch wellmeaning folk ( including my gp ) who dished out advice about how to stop feeling sick ... I was been sick morning ,day and night ! Luckily my work were understanding and put up with my lateness and running out of meetings . Cylizine worked for me! Also my hospital had emergency gynological dept who were fab !I hope more awareness can be made of this condition so women do not get fobbed off with " its all part of pregnancy " !!?? good luck

Connor, just seen this - no practical advice but I DO understand what you are going through! I never got to the point where I needed to be hospitalised but had 24 hour sickness from 6 weeks until almost 25 weeks (sorry, you really don't want to hear that) this time round, and was absolutely miserable because of it. It's draining and tiring and leaves you feeling resentful of the baby and guilty about everything you can't do. It felt to me like having permanent 'flu - even when I wasn't being sick I felt so ghastly and without energy.

Really hope you manage to get something sorted out. But do remember, your ds is NOT going to suffer permanent damage from this - he will not remember it and bring it up during teenage rows ! Be kind to yourself, keep trudging on and it will come to an end eventually. Wish I had a magic wand though to make you feel better!

well just returned back from the doctors with nothing to show for it i'm afraid basical couldn't give a urine sample as had no fluids in me and was told they don't give out medication until it gets to the point where you need hospitalising

am going to look into accupunture today and maybe homeopathy, my previous gp fro years and years ago is now retired but runs his own private accupuncture/homeopathy clinic so i think i'll give him ago.

All your messages are really lovely, thank you.

ds is with my mum for a few hours so am going to have a little lie down.

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when I was on an antenatal thread with a fellow hg sufferer, she was really too weak to leave the house and her GP apparently said on the 'phone "oh it really does sound like you need to make an appointment" - they just don't get it do they ?

I advised her to bypass the GP and go straight to A & E which she did and was admitted for about a week.

In hospital my ketone levels were at the top of the scale and that was after I'd been in for 48 hours as I wasn't able to produce a sample until then due to the dehydration. I monitored my own ketone levels with pee-on-sticks after I came out of hospital and that's how I knew I was slipping straight back into a bad situation within a week and insisted on stronger anti-emetic drugs.

Could you get your dh to take you to A & E and say that he came home and found you all confused/disorientated or weak as a kitten or something like that. I'm pretty sure they'd hospitalise you and then you can get the right drugs. I think it all comes down to the GP not wanting to take responsibility for prescribing them as they have not been officially trialled on pregnant women but the hospiptal doctors have obviously used them on their HG patients with out any problems arising.

GRRRR why should you have to get to the point where you risk collapsing and jeopardising yours and your toddler's safety before you can get treatment. Not to mention the baby. Call on your amateur dramatic skills if necessary just to speed up to the point at which you get taken seriously.

Someone said that there was no risk to the baby from "dehydration" but even my GP said there was ultimately a risk to the baby, the midwives said so and the hospital doctors said there was. The Atkins diet effectively puts the body into ketosis to achieve dramatic weight loss and the diet books say that Atkins is definately not to be undertaken by pregnant women.

P.S. I was hospitalised on request in second pregancy by vomitting uncontrollably in the GP's consulting room sink during my appointment with him.

WTF? That is TOTAL bollocks that they dont give medication until you need to be hospitalised. I would see another GP. Unless you have suffered with the constant sickness / nausea, people dont know what physical and MENTAL torture it is.
Try alternative medicine first by all means but please dont be fobbed off by a crap GP who is giving you incorrect information.

I saw three different doctors before finally i had a home visit (by this time i was too ill and weak to walk) by a doctor who took one look at me and said "we need to get you to hospital immediately".

The fact is that by diagnosing hyperemisis early it can be managed more efficiently so hopefully you dont ever need to end up in hospital. Keep pestering them and dont ever let them make you feel that this is an insignificant illness and just "part of being pregnant". Best of luck xx

Thre is a *huge^ rioskmfrom dehydration (long story but if it wasn't for my cat raising the alarm I'd be dead from it- baby would have hardly survived would he?). The HG itself is not a (physical) risk as long as you are hydrated. If you can't produce urine then I am stunned that they just let you go! At what point do they think you bexome dehydrated FGS?

I would suggest seeing another GP, or alternatively calling the midwives and requesting advice. Go on that website I linked to and print off the info about HG, my sister and many of the women we helped did this and finally got help. I do wnder how old the GP is, as years ago HG was considered to be relayed to mental heath rather than physical health.

The lady who set up that Blooming Awful website had a terrible case of HG with each pregnancy (second unsurprissingly a shock as unplanned), she found the only thing thing that helped her was Homeopathy.

Getie if youre around cardiff you're not that far from me then. hello.

not scientific but i found a lot of sweet biscuits helped me - eat what you fancy if and when you fancy it - dont worry about healthy eating at the mo!

oooh hello peachy. I spoke to a great volunteer from blooming awful in wales when i was ill... wonder if it twas you....

Oh Connor that's rubbish
I'm so sorry you're GP didn't take you seriously
If you can't pee then they can't possibly know if you need hospitalising. Do you think you're keeping any fluids down? If you're not peeing much that's surely a bad sign.
And the stuff about not prescribing unless you need hospialising is nonsense. My GP prescribed anti-sickness drugs for me cause I was trying to put off going to hospital. But I ended up going to hospital anyway, and like someone else said, had to stay in for a whole week. If I had gone in sooner I wouldn't have had to stay in for anywhere near as long, lot's of women apparently just need fluids overnight to top them back up.
A different GP? Phone a midwife? If you think you're getting dehydrated it may have to be A&E
I'm feeling very cross on your behalf
What area are you in?

Actually Connor I'd go to A & E as well. Or see if your hospital has an out of hours doctor. I went to a & e. They didn't know what to do with me so sent me to out of hours GP across the hall. I got admitted immediately.

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Hello Connor
Had to reply when I saw your message as I was in the exact same boat. Second ds is now 5 months old so things back to normal.
What no one seems to mention is that ante-natal depression is really common with hyperemesis, and feeling like you are letting your toddler down is part of that depression. I felt guilty for 9 months about my 2 year old who is a very active boy, and didn't understand why Mummy did not want to leave her house (loo!).
I was admitted to hospital 5 times and just had to rely on friends/family etc. People I hardly knew came round to watch my son while I slept.
Let us know what area you are in as I'm sure people will be glad to help if you are stuck for help. I stayed with my parents for about 3 months in total and was lucky they had the time to help me. Otherwise I just coped as best I could while ds watched a lot of TV. We bought him a leappad which he used a lot, and lots of story tapes to read as I couldn't even read to him.
The other thing as well as drugs that helped me was chewing gum all the time, and also refreshers sweets - just kept the nausea a tiny bit at bay so I could cope.

Good luck.

Apologies if already mentioned (I've not read the whole thread) but my GP prescribed me Domperidone for my sickness. I was nervous about taking it but she said it would be fine - and I wasn't really in a position to argue with her! It did help, as long as I took the tablets religiously.

I hope it passes soon for you.

You have my sympathies. I was concidering a termination rether than face it again, as it goes, I miscarried. DH has now had a vasectomy so we are never (well hopefully) in this situation again.

]Sorry if Im repeating here, but I havent had time to read all the thread.

i had to be on my hands and knees, retching and crawling around the out of hours surgery like a dog before I was admitted.

Seriously, if you get to this point, go straight to a&e, dont go down the nhs direct/on call doctor route.