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OMG, I am so stupid at times (banned food moment!)

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Martha200 · 08/07/2007 21:20

For some unknown reason I noticed that on one packet of brie I bought for the husband it had the word 'pasteurized' on it and thought it would be ok (had a brie desire moment) I have since learnt that this was a no no in the world of things not to eat even with that word printed on it and feeling soo guilty

Guess I am after reassurance other people find themselves eating things that they shouldn't.. I feel so bad at the moment!

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Aitch · 08/07/2007 21:22

guilty, schmilty... when did you eat it? did you get sick? if not, then all is fine as far as i'm aware.

fransmom · 08/07/2007 21:22

don't worry too much. if you only had it once and don't have it again. the main risk is because of listeria (i think?) ((((((((((((martha))))))))))))))

fingerwoman · 08/07/2007 21:23

it'll be fine, honestly. especially as it was pasteurised, don't feel guilty

mummytosteven · 08/07/2007 21:24

Martha - there are so many women with unplanned PGs who were clueless about listeria etc risks until well into first trimester so I really wouldn't fret. listeria is v rare anyway. I would have thought pasteruized wsa OK anyway tbh. you'll be fine.

juuule · 08/07/2007 21:29

can I eat pasteurised brie in pregnancy
Looks like it's okay to me.

Martha200 · 08/07/2007 21:30

I had it a week ago and I had a reasonable amount.
I have since found out it is more of a problem if eaten in the 2nd or 3rd trimester, (according to the great vast space of internet!) and that yes it is the risk of listeria that if present is a problem to the unborn child.
Suppose I shouldn't panic.. with our first I got extrememly drunk on swedish schnapps when I didn't know I was pregnant, and no obvious effects from that! (so many things to concern oneself over when pregnant I guess.)

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maisym · 08/07/2007 21:31

I've had this type of cheese & lots of it - if it's pasturized I think it's ok?

Martha200 · 08/07/2007 21:32

Thanks for the link
Wonder if that's a cultural difference though. The Americans say No to feta when pregnant but in the UK it's fine.

Feeling bit better already, thanks ladies!
x

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PurpleLostPrincess · 08/07/2007 22:43

I had a gigantic ice-cream (99 with a flake) from the ice-cream van and found out afterwards that its meant to be a big no-no. I've been fine ever since and find that there's such a mixed amount of opinions on what to eat and not eat etc.

HTH

PLP xxx

fannyannie · 08/07/2007 22:48

I craved Brie and Grape Baguettes (thankfully available at a little sandwich shop 2 minutes from my house ) at the start of my last pg.

laksa · 09/07/2007 10:06

technically it doesn't matter whether it is pasteurised or not as it is still mold ripened therefore a no no, but I think the last case of listeria in this country was about ten years ago and that was contracted from unwashed veg!! Don't worry. You can eat brie if its been heated up thoroughly, I often have brie tart in Cafe Rouge

There was a really good article in the newspaper about banned foods in pregnancy and how the risk is exaggerated but can't find it now.

laksa · 09/07/2007 10:17

here is the link to the full article society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2090058,00.html which is mostly about alcohol but if you scroll down you can see the bit on listeria. I have cut and pasted the listeria bit below:

'Listeria

If you have the misfortune not to be pregnant, you might not know that the expectant mother is instructed by everyone, very forcefully, not to eat blue cheese or any cheese that hasn't been pasteurised, likewise unpasteurised milk and ice cream. Also you must not eat: rinded cheese, goat's cheese, pâté, terrines and rillettes, sushi, sashimi and artisan-smoked fish (as opposed to the industrial sort, which is smoked to death). This is besides the other fish injunctions, which tend to be about mercury - oh, and bagged salad.

Basically, if you can get it in a deli and it's costed per 100g, you probably aren't allowed to eat it. Most of these injunctions are about avoiding listeriosis, which is the disease proceeding from the listeria bacteria (apart from the mercury stuff, and "no liver" injunctions, which are about an excess of vitamin A).

Listeria has been my particular bugbear ever since a midwife - that is, a trained prenatal professional who, unless I develop complications, represents the highest medical authority I can expect to deal with throughout my pregnancy - told me that I could get listeriosis, thereby brain-damaging my foetus, without knowing about it. Now, listeriosis is an incredibly serious disease, with extremely serious symptoms, taken extremely seriously by epidemiologists nationwide. Get it without noticing it? If I got listeriosis, the national papers would know about it. It would be the third outbreak that has occurred in this country in the past 20 years. My beloved, C, said: "Well, she was just erring on the side of caution." This is a common line. But the distinction between "caution" and "misinformation" could not be more important - when it is blurred, as it so often is, the upshot is that pregnant women either become neurotic, or lose faith in the medical profession altogether.

Here are some other things that are wantonly untrue: pasteurisation, in fact, has nothing to do with a cheese's ability to harbour the listeria bacteria. The bacteria that characterise different cheeses are introduced after the pasteurisation process anyway. Listeria flourishes in moist environments, so parmesan is safe where camembert isn't, but even rinded and soft cheeses are safe once they have been cooked. But food hygiene is a much more important factor than moisture - raw fish does not come out of the sea carrying listeria, but contracts the bacteria from contact with dirty hands. Of the past two outbreaks of listeria in Britain, one was from butter and the other from lettuce (there have been other instances of product recalls, but no human contamination).

In fact the three worst recorded cases of list-eria since 1992 have all been in France, and were all from pork tongue in jelly, which nobody in their right mind would ever eat. Of the past 10 listeriosis outbreaks in America, only two were from cheese, and one of those was a Mexican homemade cheese. The notion that there are pregnant people out there whipping themselves into a frenzy of guilt because they have eaten some gorgonzola is just infuriating.

Jauniaux cites an interesting difference between Google hit rates and those on PubMed, a collected source of peer-reviewed papers in medical journals. "Listeria and pregnancy - Google, 190,000 hits; PubMed, 107 hits. Cheese and listeria - Google, 194,000 hits; PubMed, 169 hits. Sushi and pregnancy - Google, 628,000 hits; PubMed, 0 hits. Raw fish and listeria: Google, 123,000 hits; PubMed, 49 hits. You can see immediately," Jauniaux concludes, "the disproportion between the epidemiological evidence and the general public hysteria about the disease."

I wrote a potted rant about listeria hysteria some weeks ago in this paper, and readers emailed me accusing me of murdering people's foetuses with misinformation. Which is completely foolish. Jauniaux gave a lecture at the annual conference of bacteriologists two years ago, and no one in attendance had come across an outbreak of listeria in years. In England and Wales, the last figures for listeriosis were 2.7 cases per million (and that is among the entire population, not pregnant women). This risk is not negligible - tolerable risk is defined by the government as one in a million - but it is pretty small and, more importantly, the advice is misleading. In fact the potential danger comes from ready-to-eat foods: it could be anything that gives you listeria, it could be cheese or butter or lettuce or coleslaw; an ice-cream cake or a rice salad. In Spain, pregnant women are told not to eat any salad. All of this is overblown, and none of it is as effective as a simple food hygiene message, telling you to observe the basic rules that you would hold to if you were cooking for people you didn't want to poison: wash knives and boards, wash foodstuffs and so on.

And by the way: the most dangerous places to eat in Britain are hospitals and old people's homes, and that is before they have even had a go at treating you.'

Hope it puts your mind at rest a bit!

xx

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